Not much talk about WIX filters

[901Memphis]

Originally Posted By: Oil Changer
Pure BITOG searching for perfection that don't exist running off at the mouth. WIX filters are well-built and do their job well. They don't get talked about because WIX filters don't give BITOG paranoia members anything to talk about. Can't hold a candle...ppfffttt.


Originally Posted By: 901Memphis
Wix XP can't hold a candle to the Fram Ultra. The Wix is only a single layer mediation compared to FU dual layer media and the Wix efficiency of awful. Wix is also not very forthcoming with these figures and finding them is nearly impossible.

Also it's not like no Wix has ever failed.

Oil Filter Rants, WIX vs Fram part 2: http://youtu.be/TCeMrjfA9hQ


Wix XP is Beta Ratio: B2=20, so 50% at 20 microns. That's with only 1 layer of media too, so reduced capacity.

Fram Ultra is 99 % at 20 microns with at least double the capacity. You do the math, I'll be buying the superior product.

I don't dislike wix, the cellulose wix filters are approximately 95% at 20 microns and I can live with that. I have one Wix oil filter left in my stash and I can get Ultras for $6 on Amazon. Why would I ever pay more for less?

 

[Oil Changer]

Typical BITOG fan-boy mumbo-jumbo; someone trying to find something perfect but will always fail. Micron this, micron that, show me multiple UOAs (I'll accept one) that show poor insoluble levels as a result of any filter that meets the "rock catcher" OEM specification.

I can't wait for someone to cut open an FU and find a tear. The thread will be epic. FU's will be sold from stash for pennies on the dollar. Then everyone will jump on the next bandwagon.

As always on this topic, all of our over-maintained drivelines will last longer than we will ever keep the vehicle. Microns won't mean anything. Microns...pppfffttt...



Originally Posted By: 901Memphis
Wix XP is Beta Ratio: B2=20, so 50% at 20 microns. That's with only 1 layer of media too, so reduced capacity.

Fram Ultra is 99 % at 20 microns with at least double the capacity. You do the math, I'll be buying the superior product.

I don't dislike wix, the cellulose wix filters are approximately 95% at 20 microns and I can live with that. I have one Wix oil filter left in my stash and I can get Ultras for $6 on Amazon. Why would I ever pay more for less?

 

[901Memphis]

Yes because beta ratios are just useless numbers on a site that discusses data.

Good luck finding a uoa with a Wix XP, since most people don't list filters in the thread title and searching anything on the Web with the keyword XP results in nothing but Windows XP references.

I can however find many Fram Ultra uoas with a 0.1 insolubles rating and I think I even saw one with a Trace rating recently which is unheard of. But I guess data doesn't mean anything.

 

[WiskyBadger]

Originally Posted By: Oil Changer
Typical BITOG fan-boy mumbo-jumbo; someone trying to find something perfect but will always fail. Micron this, micron that, show me multiple UOAs (I'll accept one) that show poor insoluble levels as a result of any filter that meets the "rock catcher" OEM specification.

I can't wait for someone to cut open an FU and find a tear. The thread will be epic. FU's will be sold from stash for pennies on the dollar. Then everyone will jump on the next bandwagon.

As always on this topic, all of our over-maintained drivelines will last longer than we will ever keep the vehicle. Microns won't mean anything. Microns...pppfffttt...



Originally Posted By: 901Memphis
Wix XP is Beta Ratio: B2=20, so 50% at 20 microns. That's with only 1 layer of media too, so reduced capacity.

Fram Ultra is 99 % at 20 microns with at least double the capacity. You do the math, I'll be buying the superior product.

I don't dislike wix, the cellulose wix filters are approximately 95% at 20 microns and I can live with that. I have one Wix oil filter left in my stash and I can get Ultras for $6 on Amazon. Why would I ever pay more for less?
I totally agree. It's funny how everybody jumps bandwagon to bandwagon. Fram was hated, now it's what everybody suggests and runs. That being said Wix's have been solid for me and I will probably go to them and Wix made for brands from now on. So many house brands are Wix now it's easy to find them on sale.

 

[yvon_la]

their lowest quality filter is protec and gees that filter is better made then a huge majority of filter ,I love that single silicon nitrile whatever gizmo ,simple yet insanely effective

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: Oil Changer

I can't wait for someone to cut open an FU and find a tear. The thread will be epic. FU's will be sold from stash for pennies on the dollar. Then everyone will jump on the next bandwagon.


There was a FU with a small blow-out through the wire mesh backing posted not too long ago.

 

[901Memphis]

Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: Oil Changer

I can't wait for someone to cut open an FU and find a tear. The thread will be epic. FU's will be sold from stash for pennies on the dollar. Then everyone will jump on the next bandwagon.


There was a FU with a small blow-out through the wire mesh backing posted not too long ago.



Yep and it was on the ecotech which mangles oem filters too. I pulled an ac delco out of my buddies cobalt with life left on the OLM that looked pretty rough with wavy pleats and some cage distortion. I replaced it with a FU and will post pics when I change it although its might take a while.

Not trying to dumb that failure down, I understand a cartridge FU failed, but I have yet to see one single spin on FU with any holes, waves or something that looked off. I have tried too. If Google won't show me failures that builds confidence.

I don't believe it's anything to do with bandwagon, since most educated users have never bashed the FU.

 

[Sayjac]

Quote:
If Google won't show me failures...

In reality if one googles, Fram Ultra failure, the very first entry shows a defective Ultra that started here(bitog) and then posted to youtube as follow up.

And I'm not interested in any excuses, obfuscation or trashing of the poster of that Ultra. As Jim Allen has previously expressed the OP of that thread was never given an authoritative finding of the defect and that was a less than satisfactory outcome in his opinion, and I agree. Since speculation is all that we were left with, a defective/compromised leaf spring is possible/probable.

Imo, I believe the Ultra to be solid filter and I'm using one now, but they are not infallible as seems to be implied.

 

[Oregoonian]

Originally Posted By: 901Memphis
Wix XP can't hold a candle to the Fram Ultra. The Wix is only a single layer mediation compared to FU dual layer media and the Wix efficiency of awful. Wix is also not very forthcoming with these figures and finding them is nearly impossible.

Also it's not like no Wix has ever failed.

Oil Filter Rants, WIX vs Fram part 2: http://youtu.be/TCeMrjfA9hQ

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+1....well said.... that "WIX XP can't hold a candle to the Fram ULTRA". In addition, the ULTRA its not only more 'efficient'. but price-wise, its a real bargain as well, being under $9 at WM. IMO, the ULTRA is the "best bang for the buck" of any top-tier filter on the market today, bar none..

 

[901Memphis]

Originally Posted By: sayjac
Quote:
If Google won't show me failures...

In reality if one googles, Fram Ultra failure, the very first entry shows a defective Ultra that started here(bitog) and then posted to youtube as follow up.

And I'm not interested in any excuses, obfuscation or trashing of the poster of that Ultra. As Jim Allen has previously expressed the OP of that thread was never given an authoritative finding of the defect and that was a less than satisfactory outcome in his opinion, and I agree. Since speculation is all that we were left with, a defective/compromised leaf spring is possible/probable.

Imo, I believe the Ultra to be solid filter and I'm using one now, but they are not infallible as seems to be implied.



I am very aware of the youtube video. I don't think its fair to blame the filter when it was probably damaged from being dropped or something else. I shake all my filters before i buy them anyways to check for that.

So total FU failure;

1 - Ecotech pin hole
1 - spin on XG2 with loose cartridge.

Still don't see any spin on FU with media damage, but i can find them from pretty much any other filter. Lets not get started on Tearolators.

These guys are going to have to start paying me soon eh?

 

[Sayjac]

Originally Posted By: 901Memphis
Originally Posted By: sayjac
Quote:
If Google won't show me failures...

In reality if one googles, Fram Ultra failure, the very first entry shows a defective Ultra that started here(bitog) and then posted to youtube as follow up.

And I'm not interested in any excuses, obfuscation or trashing of the poster of that Ultra. As Jim Allen has previously expressed the OP of that thread was never given an authoritative finding of the defect and that was a less than satisfactory outcome in his opinion, and I agree. Since speculation is all that we were left with, a defective/compromised leaf spring is possible/probable.

Imo, I believe the Ultra to be solid filter and I'm using one now, but they are not infallible as seems to be implied.



I am very aware of the youtube video. I don't think its fair to blame the filter when it was probably damaged from being dropped or something else....

Or something else, like a leaf spring defect and I'm not the only one who thinks that a non answer was not a satisfactory answer. And I'm also well aware of the unsubstantiated dropped can idea. You specifically said if you google so I did and pointed out the first result.

Also it was you that first posted in this thread an alleged Wix failure not just the XP. As said, I could post links to yt's showing failed orange cans. But that would be as pointless as your Wix youtube.

As for anyone paying you, suppose that comment speaks for itself.

 

[Oil Changer]

You made the ridiculous fan-boy comment that a WIX can't hold a candle to a PU yet you can not provide any data on the WIX. So how do you know your statement to be true?

It's all moot. Proper air filtering is more important than micron differences in oil filters for extended engine life.


Originally Posted By: 901Memphis
Yes because beta ratios are just useless numbers on a site that discusses data.

Good luck finding a uoa with a Wix XP, since most people don't list filters in the thread title and searching anything on the Web with the keyword XP results in nothing but Windows XP references.

I can however find many Fram Ultra uoas with a 0.1 insolubles rating and I think I even saw one with a Trace rating recently which is unheard of. But I guess data doesn't mean anything.

 

[901Memphis]

It's long overdue but you won't be missed OC. /wave

 

[Oil Changer]

Bye!

Originally Posted By: 901Memphis
It's long overdue but you won't be missed OC. /wave

 

[Garak]

Originally Posted By: 4wheeldog
Except.......The project to clean the can is extra labor that would be skipped at the jiffylube, and is an opportunity for the introduction of plenty of contamination. Everything is a compromise, and canister filters are a much better deal for most folks.

Exactly. I've dealt with cartridges from 1950s applications, and they work fine, but everything is a compromise, as you indicate. With respect to cartridge filters, I've seen way too many pictures on here of used cartridge filters that look like they got sat on.

 

[FetchFar]

Originally Posted By: Garak
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With respect to cartridge filters, I've seen way too many pictures on here of used cartridge filters that look like they got sat on.


And most people never know if their canister spin-on hidden-media oil filter has waviness, seldom cutting them open. Waviness is not a problem. I did have trouble with a K&N PS-7014 cartridge with end plate sat-on distortion, and I think one needs a good quality oil filter to avoid that.

 

[Garak]

That's why I like when everyone else opens up filters. It gives me more of an idea without my making a mess. I'm messy enough at oil changes, without cutting open cannisters or playing with cartridges.