I am pretty sure "one size fits all" doesn't fit very well...
Also, the Highland Park plant changed the world.
Also, the Highland Park plant changed the world.
Norway: 80% new cars are electric
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Many folks cite the lack of range as EVs great failure, and for some, it could be a concern. However, from what I've read, most people don't regularly drive long distances so, for those folks, an EV might be just fine. But, rather than argue that point, how about the new Mercedes that's been getting more than 700 miles on a single charge? I'm sure that this technology will find its way into more and more vehicles.
Stuttgart/Brixworth. The Mercedes-Benz VISION EQXX beats its own efficiency record in real-world driving with another 1,000 km+ journey on a single battery charge. Following its record-breaking maiden drive from Stuttgart to Cassis (France) in April, the research vehicle set the bar even higher, with a 1,202-kilometre road trip from Stuttgart to Silverstone in the UK.
https://electrek.co/2022/06/23/merc...lectric-car-traveled-750-miles-1200-km-range/
The point being is that none of the EV issues the naysayers bring up are insurmountable. And the examples I cited are what the country can do to "fix" a problem. There were no "high speed" options crossing the country by auto prior to the Interstate Highway System.
like it says on the encyclopedia... Norway has about 5 million people... and half of them live around Oslo. I think they can get away with electric cars for the most part.. realistically, no more of them are going to drive all the way across their country than you find Americas doing the same..
Yes, at the moment they are insurmountable. When a full sized sedan costs $100K and won't go more than 200 miles at real world interstate speeds, there is a problem. The average American cannot afford that. Instead, what they can do is spend $50K to $60K for a Nissan Sentra sized vehicle (the Model 3)
I absolutely love driving EV's, epic performance, low center of gravity, quiet, no downshifting, no drama. But I am well paid and can't afford one that would work for me.
We can also fly at Mach 2 across the ocean if we want to. But it is not a financially sound model.
There was an article on another car site stating the average new car price is like $48,000.00 and prices like that put them out of reach of the middle class. I would agree there is going to be a real affordability issue going forward whether it's ICE or EV vehicles. I expect continuing government involvement (not sure if it's good or bad) in the sales of EVs.
Coincidentally, I checked that point last evening. From Kelly Blue Book, it's about 35 miles per day.
The 2020 average equates to 1,060 miles per month per driver, or about 35 miles per day. By comparison, the DOT said the average annual miles was 13,476 in 2018. YMMV, in part because public transportation systems vary by location.
If 91 % of the electricity generated is hydro- electric, chance are they probably won't have many instances where the power is out. But the transmission lines, will more that likely be the problem now and then. Say from a storm of some sort, that would probably cause outages never experienced before. Once your electric vehicle's batteries goes flat and there's nowhere to charge it for an extended period of time, I'll bet there will be alot of unhappy campers. But the idea sounded great on paper.,,,
if ev's are automobiles destiny then prices will fall .thing is , if it is .because the germans and their allies ,some other european countries voted for postponing the new era of electrical engines in 2030,bcs they were not ready as they said, truth is that they saw they loose a lot as a country .germany is not among favorables ev's yet.so they voted for green fuels into the existing engines, porsche is the header of this . german wins one more time. engines as we know them will survive in europe more than 10 years next to electrical but with greener fuels.
in Norway, one of my favourable countries , my old neighbourhood ! norway thanks to oil and gas ,is the first country ever in nations history , they give away of their national income to other suffering countries. this is how wealthy this nation is. that beeing said according to their national income ,each norwegian shares a million euros per person.but instead the government to share that amount with their citizens they gave it away to other third world countries, somewhere in asia i think. bcs. Norwegians are happy with less, its just a way of life.
now as for moving with cars , ecology is in their belief just like other Scandinavians countries do. they only want a vehicle for moving not for fun.besides in the history of travelling by car among nations in europe ,Norwegians would be in last place.they are not automobile fans like Swedish are.
i love ev's. firstly they are very beautiful cars , so well designed .even the ugliest european brand design attractive ev's . then its all these that cujet said about driving and performance of a ev. but don't forget ev's massively produced now cant reach more than 160 km /per hour.they aim to economy.
and speaking of economy:
yes the new mercedes an many other models claim autonomy 700km. but that is general. on what speed? with how many passengers in it? how much weight from baggages? use of a clima and for how long?
and don't forget one thing. we still don't know how batteries will behave in cold weather or very hot weather. will they need more charge? its just the same batteries like our smartphones have. and finally they are very expensive.the most expensive part.how long will they last through the years.what will happen if they fail and warranty? an ev has a certain life because of the batteries.if batteries are done then the car is worthless, you can't earn somehting by selling it.
and how on earth will we charge all these evs when goverments decide to end petrol engines? by destroying more natural sources? more ugly windmills in the sea, at mountains, more panels in yards etc. its crazy.
in Norway, one of my favourable countries , my old neighbourhood ! norway thanks to oil and gas ,is the first country ever in nations history , they give away of their national income to other suffering countries. this is how wealthy this nation is. that beeing said according to their national income ,each norwegian shares a million euros per person.but instead the government to share that amount with their citizens they gave it away to other third world countries, somewhere in asia i think. bcs. Norwegians are happy with less, its just a way of life.
now as for moving with cars , ecology is in their belief just like other Scandinavians countries do. they only want a vehicle for moving not for fun.besides in the history of travelling by car among nations in europe ,Norwegians would be in last place.they are not automobile fans like Swedish are.
i love ev's. firstly they are very beautiful cars , so well designed .even the ugliest european brand design attractive ev's . then its all these that cujet said about driving and performance of a ev. but don't forget ev's massively produced now cant reach more than 160 km /per hour.they aim to economy.
and speaking of economy:
yes the new mercedes an many other models claim autonomy 700km. but that is general. on what speed? with how many passengers in it? how much weight from baggages? use of a clima and for how long?
and don't forget one thing. we still don't know how batteries will behave in cold weather or very hot weather. will they need more charge? its just the same batteries like our smartphones have. and finally they are very expensive.the most expensive part.how long will they last through the years.what will happen if they fail and warranty? an ev has a certain life because of the batteries.if batteries are done then the car is worthless, you can't earn somehting by selling it.
and how on earth will we charge all these evs when goverments decide to end petrol engines? by destroying more natural sources? more ugly windmills in the sea, at mountains, more panels in yards etc. its crazy.
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I still don't understand the Model 3 is small stuff. How is that a small car? Interior space it's got to be as big as our Lincoln LS or Jaguar S-Type. The only car I've had that was noticeably bigger was the Vanden Plas(XJ8 Long wheelbase).
I do want to say I'm not just some rich yuppie rattling off numbers. I owned all of these cars used and none of them cost me more than $15k. The Model 3 is the most expensive car I've ever bought new.
I do want to say I'm not just some rich yuppie rattling off numbers. I owned all of these cars used and none of them cost me more than $15k. The Model 3 is the most expensive car I've ever bought new.
Last I heard their sovereign wealth fund owns 1.5% of the world.
Most people on earth don't drive super far with their own cars regularly because of fuel price and the quality of life issue. They get stuck in traffic just as long as people in no traffic commuting on 50 miles each way though.
If you drive 700 miles regularly you should buy a vehicle for that, but if you only do it once a year you really should just rent a car and don't worry about it if you want an EV.
Your numbers are off by a bit, see the hyperlink.
But the point on which we agree - Norway has managed its mineral wealth for the benefit of all Norwegians. They invested a long-running surplus of income. Fascinating study in governance.
Cost of living there is high, but so is their happiness. It’s a great country.
My brother in law worked in Norway about 17 years ago....a bottle of beer (not high end stuff) was $15....and that was in the store....not at a football game.
so the average person with the average electric car being recharged at home would probably not have any issues driving an electric vehicle as their daily. makes sense to me.
~$200k US per person in Norway....
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