No pistons, no cylinders, no logic: This engine is so futuristic that it shouldn’t even run

[SammyChevelleTypeS3]

No pistons, no cylinders, no logic: This engine is so futuristic that it shouldn’t even run.​

I don't think the oil companies will be happy about this if they can get it into mainstream use by consumers.

https://www.eldiario24.com/en/engine-piston-internal-combustion/7380/
https://www.eldiario24.com/en/first-water-car-600-miles-gasoline/114/

This is about just one of several new technologies being worked on in ISRAEL these days. A while back I read they were working on a car to be powered by compressed air with on board compressors to void the need of any type of fuel cylinders.

 

[SC Maintenance]

Rotary engines are cool. If they could make one that would last, I would consider it. A friend had an RX7. His had a reasonable number of miles. He told me the key is to drive it at high RPM's most of the time. Possibly this would make a great power plant for a hybrid - it could run at optimal RPM whenever needed?

Compresses air seems to make little sense to me. You still need the remote compressor, etc. Might as well use a battery.

 

[SammyChevelleTypeS3]

Rotary engines are cool. If they could make one that would last, I would consider it. A friend had an RX7. His had a reasonable number of miles. He told me the key is to drive it at high RPM's most of the time. Possibly this would make a great power plant for a hybrid - it could run at optimal RPM whenever needed?

Compresses air seems to make little sense to me. You still need the remote compressor, etc. Might as well use a battery.

One of my brothers had an RX7 for many years. I loved riding in that car with him. One day , after he had it many years he said it just died. Took it in to one of his buddies mechanic shops. The guy looked it over and messed with it for a couple weeks. He ended up saying that is was gonna cost way too much to fix. Brother sold it to a collector of Mazda vehicles thru the internet. The guy came by with a trailer and took it off.

 

[D60]

The first one is impressively vague, saying basically it spins two belts and goes. Oooh magic!

The water one is slightly more believable and specific.

I'm always a bit skeptical of early media hype, kinda like Theranos and Paolo Macchiarini. I hope I'm wrong and it all comes to fruition

 

[SammyChevelleTypeS3]

The first one is impressively vague, saying basically it spins two belts and goes. Oooh magic!

The water one is slightly more believable and specific.

I'm always a bit skeptical of early media hype, kinda like Theranos and Paolo Macchiarini. I hope I'm wrong and it all comes to fruition

Oh yes. As much as I am a fan of ICE vehicles... I would love to see some type of new technology evolve to allow most of the world to drive pollution free machines. The thing is , I would love something like those that use simple water or air to become reality. They are not only going to have to fight to get that stuff developed for safe use by the population. In addition to fighting the likely many ways the oil companies will lobby against them. Nikola Tessla had a dream to send free electricity across the globe. There are lots of stories about people in the private energy industry as well as USA gov people who backed his enemies. A big change from ICE to just about anything will likely be a long drawn out scenario for many reasons.

 

[Brybo86]

Oh yes. As much as I am a fan of ICE vehicles... I would love to see some type of new technology evolve to allow most of the world to drive pollution free machines. The thing is , I would love something like those that use simple water or air to become reality. They are not only going to have to fight to get that stuff developed for safe use by the population. In addition to fighting the likely many ways the oil companies will lobby against them. Nikola Tessla had a dream to send free electricity across the globe. There are lots of stories about people in the private energy industry as well as USA gov people who backed his enemies. A big change from ICE to just about anything will likely be a long drawn out scenario for many reasons.

If the technology came out tomorrow that allowed an engine to run on 100% water and develop 200hp while hooking up to existing powertrains...
I bet it would be in a production car within 2 years.

 

[kschachn]

If the technology came out tomorrow that allowed an engine to run on 100% water and develop 200hp while hooking up to existing powertrains...
I bet it would be in a production car within 2 years.

Sure but no engine is going to run on water.

 

[Brybo86]

Sure but no engine is going to run on water.

Agreed... but was mostly just responding to Sammy who said that it would be such a hard fight to get a water engine approved because of lobbyists, govt etc.

 

[IndyIan]

Oh yes. As much as I am a fan of ICE vehicles... I would love to see some type of new technology evolve to allow most of the world to drive pollution free machines. The thing is , I would love something like those that use simple water or air to become reality. They are not only going to have to fight to get that stuff developed for safe use by the population. In addition to fighting the likely many ways the oil companies will lobby against them. Nikola Tessla had a dream to send free electricity across the globe. There are lots of stories about people in the private energy industry as well as USA gov people who backed his enemies. A big change from ICE to just about anything will likely be a long drawn out scenario for many reasons.

Maybe in the US as it seems lobbyists can be pretty effective?

But in many other countries, where oil and fossil fuels are just expensive energy to import, any potentially cost effective technology to reduce oil imports is going to get some investigation and likely good attention from many uncorrupt governments.

I guess if some poor scientist in a oil company in Russia, figured out how turn water into Oxygen and Hydrogen for much less energy than it released when burned, and he approached the wrong supervisor before sharing his findings outside the company, the scientist might be eliminated and the research either destroyed or hidden... But most places with that level of corruption/short sightedness probably aren't doing a lot of research and their smart scientists are trying to go elsewhere....

 

[Astro14]

Oh yes. As much as I am a fan of ICE vehicles... I would love to see some type of new technology evolve to allow most of the world to drive pollution free machines. The thing is , I would love something like those that use simple water or air to become reality. They are not only going to have to fight to get that stuff developed for safe use by the population. In addition to fighting the likely many ways the oil companies will lobby against them. Nikola Tessla had a dream to send free electricity across the globe. There are lots of stories about people in the private energy industry as well as USA gov people who backed his enemies. A big change from ICE to just about anything will likely be a long drawn out scenario for many reasons.

There is a lot of basic physics being overlooked when people talk about a car that runs on “simple water or air” - because, to be blunt, there never will be such a thing.

Never.

It takes energy to move a vehicle. Air and water have none.

 

[Astro14]

Maybe in the US as it seems lobbyists can be pretty effective?

But in many other countries, where oil and fossil fuels are just expensive energy to import, any potentially cost effective technology to reduce oil imports is going to get some investigation and likely good attention from many uncorrupt governments.

I guess if some poor scientist in a oil company in Russia, figured out how turn water into Oxygen and Hydrogen for much less energy than it released when burned, and he approached the wrong supervisor before sharing his findings outside the company, the scientist might be eliminated and the research either destroyed or hidden... But most places with that level of corruption/short sightedness probably aren't doing a lot of research and their smart scientists are trying to go elsewhere....

Basic chemistry tells us that the energy released by combining hydrogen and oxygen into water is the same energy that is needed to break them apart.

It cannot ever be different.

So, this claim from the article “The membrane that splits the water molecules was developed specially by Electriq Global. It contains unique nanomaterials that make the reaction possible using much less electricity than has been needed before. This breakthrough helps make water-powered cars using hydrogen fuel cells a viable reality.”

Is complete and utter hogwash.

 

[SammyChevelleTypeS3]

There is a lot of basic physics being overlooked when people talk about a car that runs on “simple water or air” - because, to be blunt, there never will be such a thing.

Never.

It takes energy to move a vehicle. Air and water have none.

Yes. The compressed air one can sound silly unless someone invents a quiet , tiny high powered compressor to use. Then???

The other one says "Runs on water" yet that is not even true. They are looking into the possibility of using the water and electric charge to create the H2 on board the vehicles to run. Not water really as a main fuel. It would be amazing if someone could invent a way to power a mini turbine for automobiles.

I just honestly do not see the EVs as they are now selling so many to make much difference in whatever the EV faithful's goals are? How much they cost. The pollution involved in making them. The COST, the use limitations , the possible expensive maintenance and the limited support industry or service facilities are all impediments to widescale buying and driving for much of the populations. AT this time. Who knows what can happen in any industry on any given day?

We are far past the time for some scientist to make a major breakthrough with energy for the good of humanity and the earth.

 

[Exhaustgases]

Hmm energy and such? Can someone explain what energy keeps all the planets in constant motion around the sun in the solar system?
Oh and its been going on for many years now. No battery's or gas needed. Oh yeah then those pesky little atoms too, with their little planets spinin up a storm.

 

[kschachn]

Hmm energy and such? Can someone explain what energy keeps all the planets in constant motion around the sun in the solar system?
Oh and its been going on for many years now. No battery's or gas needed. Oh yeah then those pesky little atoms too, with their little planets spinin up a storm.

Zero point energy of course. Same thing that will power the Clem engine that you’re apparently developing.

What a non-sequitur.

 

[kschachn]

Yes. The compressed air one can sound silly unless someone invents a quiet , tiny high powered compressor to use. Then???

The other one says "Runs on water" yet that is not even true. They are looking into the possibility of using the water and electric charge to create the H2 on board the vehicles to run. Not water really as a main fuel. It would be amazing if someone could invent a way to power a mini turbine for automobiles.

Compressed air vehicles are highly inefficient. The energy density is abysmal for one thing.

And you cannot decompose water onboard and ever recover more energy than it takes to decompose it in the first place. Stable oxides make terrible fuels.

 

[Astro14]

Hmm energy and such? Can someone explain what energy keeps all the planets in constant motion around the sun in the solar system?
Oh and it’s been going on for many years now. No battery's or gas needed. Oh yeah then those pesky little atoms too, with their little planets spinin up a storm.

Planetary motion is the result of conservation of angular momentum in the accretion disk that formed the solar system.

No energy required for that “constant motion” - Newton’s first Law explains that.

Though the Earth’s rotation has been gradually slowing over time - and the moon’s orbit has been gradually moving farther out as tidal forces that are slowing the Earth’s rotation have increased the speed of the moon.

Again, see Newton’s Laws.

Atoms? I have no idea what you mean by planets that “spin” around atoms, unless you mean electrons, which aren’t exactly spinning. IF you have disproved quantum mechanics - I am sure the scientific world would be fascinated by your findings.

 

[SC Maintenance]

Oh yes. As much as I am a fan of ICE vehicles... I would love to see some type of new technology evolve to allow most of the world to drive pollution free machines. The thing is , I would love something like those that use simple water or air to become reality. They are not only going to have to fight to get that stuff developed for safe use by the population. In addition to fighting the likely many ways the oil companies will lobby against them. Nikola Tessla had a dream to send free electricity across the globe. There are lots of stories about people in the private energy industry as well as USA gov people who backed his enemies. A big change from ICE to just about anything will likely be a long drawn out scenario for many reasons.

Yes, I researched them as well - the RX series was pretty cool (and cheap used )

My understanding is that is how many fail. The seals that separate the pieces of the rotor just break off or something, - then its over.

 

[SC Maintenance]

Hmm energy and such? Can someone explain what energy keeps all the planets in constant motion around the sun in the solar system?

Yes, momentum and gravity. Except no one can explain gravity yet

 

[KrisZ]

Looks like another attempt to round up some investor money.

These things pop up over the years almost like clockwork, then disappear only to re-emerge few years down the line.

 

[SC Maintenance]

Looks like another attempt to round up some investor money.

These things pop up over the years almost like clockwork, then disappear only to re-emerge few years down the line.

My water injection investment will pay out any day now.