Nitrile ADBV vs Silicon ADBV

[KCJeep]

Originally Posted By: Jim Allen

To be honest, I'm at a loss as to why everyone else seems to have trouble with this. I wrenched for 20 years and have been deeply involved in the automotive biz in other ways for the next 20 years. I've heard it once or twice but only on old cars with filters that had been on there a while. I've never owned a car that had this trouble. Ever. I've use every type/brand of filter from the cheapest junk to the most expensive. My 5.4L Ford has never done it with any of the filters used on it.


I've never had it either over the countless vehicles I've owned over 30+ years, until my current Jeep that is. But when you've got it, man you know you've got it.

 

[BlueOvalFitter]

Originally Posted By: KCJeep
Originally Posted By: Jim Allen

To be honest, I'm at a loss as to why everyone else seems to have trouble with this. I wrenched for 20 years and have been deeply involved in the automotive biz in other ways for the next 20 years. I've heard it once or twice but only on old cars with filters that had been on there a while. I've never owned a car that had this trouble. Ever. I've use every type/brand of filter from the cheapest junk to the most expensive. My 5.4L Ford has never done it with any of the filters used on it.


I've never had it either over the countless vehicles I've owned over 30+ years, until my current Jeep that is. But when you've got it, man you know you've got it.

Again,I agree with you.I'm in the same situation with my 07 F150.It's the only engine that I can think of that this has happened to. Stop getting in my head,KCJ!

LMAO

 

[Jim Allen]

Newton makes a good point. A few heating cycles may "train" an ill-fitting ADBV to seal better, so instead of hershey-squirting the first time it rattles, run with it for a little while. I also agree that there is negligible danger in a bit of startup rattle.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
BlueOvalFitter - what's your vehicle after an oil and filter change when the filter is bone dry on initial start-up?

I don't understand the q?. I always fill my filter with oil before it is installed.


Just wondering if the engine rattles like mad on an initial start-up after an oil change if the filter is not pre-filled. But you fill your filter, so that negates this test.

These engines that rattle on start-up after sitting a bit must be super sensitive to loss of oil pressure for a second. I've never had a vehicle exhibit any start-up rattle ... even with a bone dry oil filter after doing an oil/filter change.

 

[Danh]

If you tell your Ford dealer about almost any noise in a Ford engine, the first question they will likely ask is if you are using a non-Motorcraft oil filter. It seems this is a directive from Ford, not a local dealer initiative. I don't think this is just to sell more oil filters but rather is a response to either a lot of lousy oil filters out there or specific characteristics of Ford engines or Motorcraft filters.

As Motorcraft oil filters are of good quality, inexpensive and available I just decided to use them exclusively on my Ford products.

 

[Dave Hess]

Every engine is different. On our Hondas you can use any filter and the engine will be very quiet on start up.

 

[BlueOvalFitter]

Originally Posted By: LT4 Vette
Every engine is different. On our Hondas you can use any filter and the engine will be very quiet on start up.


My son owns a 96 Corolla.You can put ANY oil filter on it and it is very quiet on start up.

 

[KCJeep]

Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix

These engines that rattle on start-up after sitting a bit must be super sensitive to loss of oil pressure for a second. I've never had a vehicle exhibit any start-up rattle ... even with a bone dry oil filter after doing an oil/filter change.


That's one of the weird things in my case, pre-fill the filter or not at an OCI = No rattle. The ONLY time it rattles is if the temps drop and it sits for a while, especially overnight. But even then it's not an every time thing...average once in every 4-5 starts, or more recently one every two or three.

Dunno.

 

[BlueOvalFitter]

Originally Posted By: KCJeep
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix

These engines that rattle on start-up after sitting a bit must be super sensitive to loss of oil pressure for a second. I've never had a vehicle exhibit any start-up rattle ... even with a bone dry oil filter after doing an oil/filter change.


That's one of the weird things in my case, pre-fill the filter or not at an OCI = No rattle. The ONLY time it rattles is if the temps drop and it sits for a while, especially overnight. But even then it's not an every time thing...average once in every 4-5 starts, or more recently one every two or three.

Dunno.

The moon and its axis tilt might have something to do with it!

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: KCJeep
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix

These engines that rattle on start-up after sitting a bit must be super sensitive to loss of oil pressure for a second. I've never had a vehicle exhibit any start-up rattle ... even with a bone dry oil filter after doing an oil/filter change.


That's one of the weird things in my case, pre-fill the filter or not at an OCI = No rattle. The ONLY time it rattles is if the temps drop and it sits for a while, especially overnight. But even then it's not an every time thing...average once in every 4-5 starts, or more recently one every two or three.

Dunno.

IMO, If it doesn't rattle on start-up after an oil change with a bone dry filter, and only does it when the oil is thick with a filled filter on the engine, then it's probably more of a issue with oil flow to the lifters than from a drained filter.

 

[KCJeep]

Yes very strange, time definitely has something to do with it. An oil change is less than an hour, shut off hot then restarted immediately after, doesn't ever do it then. Give it some cold temps and 8+ hours of sitting and it can be a different story.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: KCJeep
Yes very strange, time definitely has something to do with it. An oil change is less than an hour, shut off hot then restarted immediately after, doesn't ever do it then. Give it some cold temps and 8+ hours of sitting and it can be a different story.


Lifters are bleeding down, and with colder oil it takes longer for them to pump back up. I'm betting this is your issue. And if it's done it since day one, then it's just a characteristic of the lifter design.

 

[KCJeep]

Don't know on that, bought it used with 80k on it, but it was April. As soon as I hit my first winter...surprise!

I've had two other Jeep 4.0's and neither of them did this, so I'm a little stumped but what you're telling me makes sense.

 

[oldhp]

I think its the engine design.
Hows this for strange. 2012 Equinox 4cyl. You can take the cartridge oil filter out right after you shut off engine with NO
oil spill!!! The oil drains out of the oil filter canister the second engine is shut off. GM tech answered there are check valves to hold oil pressure until oil pump fills canister and oil starts flowing. Engine is always rattle/tick free.

 

[GARYT28221]

My truck has always had a MC FL-400s oil filter on it since day 1. (6 miles) There was one time I had a local tire store do an oil change and they used a NAPA ProSelect oil filter,with the nitrile ADBV.After startup my engine rattled so bad I thought my teeth would fall out.I replaced it with a MC FL-400s filter.
Why is it the filters with the Silicon ADBV don't make the engine rattle like a nitrile ADBV? Is it because the heat does not affect the silicon as much as nitrile,and the silicon maintains its form to seal better to keep oil in the filter for startup? Opinions and facts are greatly appreciated.