Nissan Ester 5W30-'08 Infiniti G37, 4.5k mi...Bad.
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Originally Posted By: edhackett
The problem is not with the oils. It's Nissan's engineering. IMHO the G37 is just another in their history of poorly engineered/executed vehicles. Sentra head gaskets, catalytic converters getting sucked into the engine, and the Titan rear differentials being recent examples.
Ed (Admittedly not a Nissan fan. OK, maybe the original 240Z.)
Me too.
The problem is not with the oils. It's Nissan's engineering. IMHO the G37 is just another in their history of poorly engineered/executed vehicles. Sentra head gaskets, catalytic converters getting sucked into the engine, and the Titan rear differentials being recent examples.
Ed (Admittedly not a Nissan fan. OK, maybe the original 240Z.)
Me too.
Originally Posted By: Steve S
Originally Posted By: edhackett
The problem is not with the oils. It's Nissan's engineering. IMHO the G37 is just another in their history of poorly engineered/executed vehicles. Sentra head gaskets, catalytic converters getting sucked into the engine, and the Titan rear differentials being recent examples.
Ed (Admittedly not a Nissan fan. OK, maybe the original 240Z.)
Me too.
Generalize much? Jeez guys.
Very helpful, thanks.
Originally Posted By: edhackett
The problem is not with the oils. It's Nissan's engineering. IMHO the G37 is just another in their history of poorly engineered/executed vehicles. Sentra head gaskets, catalytic converters getting sucked into the engine, and the Titan rear differentials being recent examples.
Ed (Admittedly not a Nissan fan. OK, maybe the original 240Z.)
Me too.
Generalize much? Jeez guys.
Very helpful, thanks.Originally Posted By: JonfromCB
BINGO! Ed is right-on. I'm a Infiniti nut and have researched
this whole VQ37/VVEL/Nissan Ester Oil issue
in depth and almost to a point of a sickness and
compulsion. This oil is all about incrreasing fleet
mileage by significantly reducing friction directly
at the high friction points in the VVEL system....AND
reducing emissions through the use of solid inert friction
modifiers (carbon nano-particles suspended in a very
specific proprietory blend of esters)...as compared to
using hydrocarbon friction modifiers that are "dirtier"
when burned. Since Nissan Ester is the FF, it's what
Nissan Recommends....that's the Law, like it or not
and that's how and why Nissan "recommends it" in
the owners manual.
This engine is VERY hard on oil, It generates tramendous amounts of heat in the VVEL system whenever the throttle gets opened-up....even for short bursts...period. There are literally dozens of cases of noise, limp-mode and VVEL actuator failure cases on the forums . Redline, Motul, and German Csstrol are the only oils I've personally seen that are up to the task in this engine...UP seems promising.
If you love this engine, short OCIs with high heat
handling oil is in order.
Jon,
Awesome info - thank you. I'd love to hear more of your source info, or some good places to go to hear more (other forums, or whatnot).
BINGO! Ed is right-on. I'm a Infiniti nut and have researched
this whole VQ37/VVEL/Nissan Ester Oil issue
in depth and almost to a point of a sickness and
compulsion. This oil is all about incrreasing fleet
mileage by significantly reducing friction directly
at the high friction points in the VVEL system....AND
reducing emissions through the use of solid inert friction
modifiers (carbon nano-particles suspended in a very
specific proprietory blend of esters)...as compared to
using hydrocarbon friction modifiers that are "dirtier"
when burned. Since Nissan Ester is the FF, it's what
Nissan Recommends....that's the Law, like it or not
and that's how and why Nissan "recommends it" in
the owners manual.
This engine is VERY hard on oil, It generates tramendous amounts of heat in the VVEL system whenever the throttle gets opened-up....even for short bursts...period. There are literally dozens of cases of noise, limp-mode and VVEL actuator failure cases on the forums . Redline, Motul, and German Csstrol are the only oils I've personally seen that are up to the task in this engine...UP seems promising.
If you love this engine, short OCIs with high heat
handling oil is in order.
Jon,
Awesome info - thank you. I'd love to hear more of your source info, or some good places to go to hear more (other forums, or whatnot).
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Originally Posted By: JoeFromPA
Hi Gary,
....
I don't see this event happening again, period.
....
Joe
P.s. When was the last time we saw a high dollar oil based on esters shear down a grade within 4500 miles on a street driven, stock car with a single tracking event? I know we don't have alot of history with this particular oil, but that's ridiculous to me...considering how he characterzed his tracking
Joe - I'm on board I don't want to see something worrisome again. I am disappointed that the Nissan oil didn't hold up as well as I would have hoped, but I guess we'll see how it looks after the next drain.
Hi Gary,
....
I don't see this event happening again, period.
....
Joe
P.s. When was the last time we saw a high dollar oil based on esters shear down a grade within 4500 miles on a street driven, stock car with a single tracking event? I know we don't have alot of history with this particular oil, but that's ridiculous to me...considering how he characterzed his tracking
Joe - I'm on board I don't want to see something worrisome again. I am disappointed that the Nissan oil didn't hold up as well as I would have hoped, but I guess we'll see how it looks after the next drain.
I sampled the factory fill on my G37 at 3752 miles (rumored to be the Nissan Ester) and will be sending it off to Blackstone next week.
Joe, Gary, The name "Nissan Ester" is very misleading.
It's not ester based. It appears to be a semi-syn
GpIII base at best. It has less than 5% proprietory ester
add that suspends the "diamond like" nano-particle
friction modifiers. Nissan has engineered a way
for their specific blend of ester to "target" their
proptietory plasma coated engine parts, where the
the Nano-particles reduce the friction. Nissan calls
it a "nitrogen" free process that essentially takes
the polarization properties of ester to the next level.
The problem seems to be the stuff works great for
incraseing CAFE mileage and decreasing pollution, but
the base oils don't appear to be up to what this engine wants
and how most people drive it.
It's not ester based. It appears to be a semi-syn
GpIII base at best. It has less than 5% proprietory ester
add that suspends the "diamond like" nano-particle
friction modifiers. Nissan has engineered a way
for their specific blend of ester to "target" their
proptietory plasma coated engine parts, where the
the Nano-particles reduce the friction. Nissan calls
it a "nitrogen" free process that essentially takes
the polarization properties of ester to the next level.
The problem seems to be the stuff works great for
incraseing CAFE mileage and decreasing pollution, but
the base oils don't appear to be up to what this engine wants
and how most people drive it.
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The VQ engine has been on Wards 10 Best engine list for years. I have owned Sentra's 3 Maxima's and 2 G35's with no problems. Best cars I have ever owned. I think the one's here that say the engine is poorly designed don't know what they are talking about or maybe have a ax to grind.
Originally Posted By: MaxPilot
The VQ engine has been on Wards 10 Best engine list for years. I have owned Sentra's 3 Maxima's and 2 G35's with no problems. Best cars I have ever owned. I think the one's here that say the engine is poorly designed don't know what they are talking about or maybe have a ax to grind.
So, you've owned only Nissans, but somehow determined they are the best cars, lol.
Any UOAs you can show us to indicate there were no engine issues, or should we take your expert word over the facts presented here?
The VQ engine has been on Wards 10 Best engine list for years. I have owned Sentra's 3 Maxima's and 2 G35's with no problems. Best cars I have ever owned. I think the one's here that say the engine is poorly designed don't know what they are talking about or maybe have a ax to grind.
So, you've owned only Nissans, but somehow determined they are the best cars, lol.
Any UOAs you can show us to indicate there were no engine issues, or should we take your expert word over the facts presented here?
Maxx', Jonny, You are right about the VQ335 however,
we're not discussing the VQ35. Your snide
remarks indicate you are unaware of the mechanical
differences betweeen the VQ35 and the VQ37 VVEL.
The 37 is neither a enlarged displacement 35 nor
a variation of it. If you do a little reasearch
you'll understand what the rest of us are talking
about here.
we're not discussing the VQ35. Your snide
remarks indicate you are unaware of the mechanical
differences betweeen the VQ35 and the VQ37 VVEL.
The 37 is neither a enlarged displacement 35 nor
a variation of it. If you do a little reasearch
you'll understand what the rest of us are talking
about here.
Originally Posted By: JonfromCB
BINGO! Ed is right-on. I'm a Infiniti nut and have researched
this whole VQ37/VVEL/Nissan Ester Oil issue
in depth and almost to a point of a sickness and
compulsion. This oil is all about incrreasing fleet
mileage by significantly reducing friction directly
at the high friction points in the VVEL system....AND
reducing emissions through the use of solid inert friction
modifiers (carbon nano-particles suspended in a very
specific proprietory blend of esters)...as compared to
using hydrocarbon friction modifiers that are "dirtier"
when burned. Since Nissan Ester is the FF, it's what
Nissan Recommends....that's the Law, like it or not
and that's how and why Nissan "recommends it" in
the owners manual.
This engine is VERY hard on oil, It generates tramendous amounts of heat in the VVEL system whenever the throttle gets opened-up....even for short bursts...period. There are literally dozens of cases of noise, limp-mode and VVEL actuator failure cases on the forums . Redline, Motul, and German Csstrol are the only oils I've personally seen that are up to the task in this engine...UP seems promising.
If you love this engine, short OCIs with high heat
handling oil is in order.
or in short PUT the redline oil in the car!
BINGO! Ed is right-on. I'm a Infiniti nut and have researched
this whole VQ37/VVEL/Nissan Ester Oil issue
in depth and almost to a point of a sickness and
compulsion. This oil is all about incrreasing fleet
mileage by significantly reducing friction directly
at the high friction points in the VVEL system....AND
reducing emissions through the use of solid inert friction
modifiers (carbon nano-particles suspended in a very
specific proprietory blend of esters)...as compared to
using hydrocarbon friction modifiers that are "dirtier"
when burned. Since Nissan Ester is the FF, it's what
Nissan Recommends....that's the Law, like it or not
and that's how and why Nissan "recommends it" in
the owners manual.
This engine is VERY hard on oil, It generates tramendous amounts of heat in the VVEL system whenever the throttle gets opened-up....even for short bursts...period. There are literally dozens of cases of noise, limp-mode and VVEL actuator failure cases on the forums . Redline, Motul, and German Csstrol are the only oils I've personally seen that are up to the task in this engine...UP seems promising.
If you love this engine, short OCIs with high heat
handling oil is in order.
or in short PUT the redline oil in the car!
Originally Posted By: JonfromCB
Maxx', Jonny, You are right about the VQ335 however,
we're not discussing the VQ35. Your snide
remarks indicate you are unaware of the mechanical
differences betweeen the VQ35 and the VQ37 VVEL.
The 37 is neither a enlarged displacement 35 nor
a variation of it. If you do a little reasearch
you'll understand what the rest of us are talking
about here.
Me? I'm on the same page as you. I was being snide (yeah, I guess I was...my bad) because I was annoyed that people were generalizing and brand bashing, which really wasn't contributing to or helpful in the discussion; every manufacturer has their different issues from time to time. My comments weren't directed at what you were saying.
Maxx', Jonny, You are right about the VQ335 however,
we're not discussing the VQ35. Your snide
remarks indicate you are unaware of the mechanical
differences betweeen the VQ35 and the VQ37 VVEL.
The 37 is neither a enlarged displacement 35 nor
a variation of it. If you do a little reasearch
you'll understand what the rest of us are talking
about here.
Me? I'm on the same page as you. I was being snide (yeah, I guess I was...my bad) because I was annoyed that people were generalizing and brand bashing, which really wasn't contributing to or helpful in the discussion; every manufacturer has their different issues from time to time. My comments weren't directed at what you were saying.
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Originally Posted By: JonfromCB
BINGO! Ed is right-on. I'm a Infiniti nut and have researched
this whole VQ37/VVEL/Nissan Ester Oil issue
in depth and almost to a point of a sickness and
compulsion. This oil is all about incrreasing fleet
mileage by significantly reducing friction directly
at the high friction points in the VVEL system....AND
reducing emissions through the use of solid inert friction
modifiers (carbon nano-particles suspended in a very
specific proprietory blend of esters)...as compared to
using hydrocarbon friction modifiers that are "dirtier"
when burned. Since Nissan Ester is the FF, it's what
Nissan Recommends....that's the Law, like it or not
and that's how and why Nissan "recommends it" in
the owners manual.
This engine is VERY hard on oil, It generates tramendous amounts of heat in the VVEL system whenever the throttle gets opened-up....even for short bursts...period. There are literally dozens of cases of noise, limp-mode and VVEL actuator failure cases on the forums . Redline, Motul, and German Csstrol are the only oils I've personally seen that are up to the task in this engine...UP seems promising.
If you love this engine, short OCIs with high heat
handling oil is in order.
Interesting, thanks.
BINGO! Ed is right-on. I'm a Infiniti nut and have researched
this whole VQ37/VVEL/Nissan Ester Oil issue
in depth and almost to a point of a sickness and
compulsion. This oil is all about incrreasing fleet
mileage by significantly reducing friction directly
at the high friction points in the VVEL system....AND
reducing emissions through the use of solid inert friction
modifiers (carbon nano-particles suspended in a very
specific proprietory blend of esters)...as compared to
using hydrocarbon friction modifiers that are "dirtier"
when burned. Since Nissan Ester is the FF, it's what
Nissan Recommends....that's the Law, like it or not
and that's how and why Nissan "recommends it" in
the owners manual.
This engine is VERY hard on oil, It generates tramendous amounts of heat in the VVEL system whenever the throttle gets opened-up....even for short bursts...period. There are literally dozens of cases of noise, limp-mode and VVEL actuator failure cases on the forums . Redline, Motul, and German Csstrol are the only oils I've personally seen that are up to the task in this engine...UP seems promising.
If you love this engine, short OCIs with high heat
handling oil is in order.
Interesting, thanks.
You could always try Ultra.
Quote:
Dear;
Thank you for your interest in our products.
It has come to our attention that certain 2009 Nissan and Infiniti vehicles require a special "ester" motor oil. Upon further investigation, Nissan's requirement is for organic, friction-modifiers in the oil to provide lubrication for Diamond-Like Coated (DLC) engine parts. Esters are a class of organic friction modifiers that provide the performance needed to protect these coatings and engine surfaces. Nissan's general recommendation is for SAE 5W-30 engine oils in these vehicles.
The Pennzoil Ultra 5W-30 oil uses the organic friction modifiers and are recommended for Nissan and Infinity vehicles requiring"ester"
motor oil.
Sincerely
Product Technical Service
Quote:
Dear;
Thank you for your interest in our products.
It has come to our attention that certain 2009 Nissan and Infiniti vehicles require a special "ester" motor oil. Upon further investigation, Nissan's requirement is for organic, friction-modifiers in the oil to provide lubrication for Diamond-Like Coated (DLC) engine parts. Esters are a class of organic friction modifiers that provide the performance needed to protect these coatings and engine surfaces. Nissan's general recommendation is for SAE 5W-30 engine oils in these vehicles.
The Pennzoil Ultra 5W-30 oil uses the organic friction modifiers and are recommended for Nissan and Infinity vehicles requiring"ester"
motor oil.
Sincerely
Product Technical Service
VOA is up: http://i44.tinypic.com/f4h4bl.jpg
I'm getting vibes from the two VOAs and several UOAs I've
seen from Nissan Ester run in VQ37s that the base oils
used can't stand up to the heat in the VVEL, even though
it was designed to reduce friction specifically in
that engine. It's probably wonderful stuff for
the way Grandma drives, but Nissan has to know that
the average person who buys this engine "ain't gonna
drive like Grandma." The verdicts still out on how
PU performs in this app', but I've seen enough to
know exactly how the pure true esters perform...Eneos,
Motul, Redline, that I'm switching to Redline and
can stop wasting all my time watching forums and
oil threads for this engine. $110 case delivered
from OG for me.
seen from Nissan Ester run in VQ37s that the base oils
used can't stand up to the heat in the VVEL, even though
it was designed to reduce friction specifically in
that engine. It's probably wonderful stuff for
the way Grandma drives, but Nissan has to know that
the average person who buys this engine "ain't gonna
drive like Grandma." The verdicts still out on how
PU performs in this app', but I've seen enough to
know exactly how the pure true esters perform...Eneos,
Motul, Redline, that I'm switching to Redline and
can stop wasting all my time watching forums and
oil threads for this engine. $110 case delivered
from OG for me.
If Nissan speced Redline, it'd be a win-win for them, but they want to play games with their high moly oil.
Originally Posted By: JonfromCB
I'm getting vibes from the two VOAs and several UOAs I've
seen from Nissan Ester run in VQ37s that the base oils
used can't stand up to the heat in the VVEL, even though
it was designed to reduce friction specifically in
that engine. It's probably wonderful stuff for
the way Grandma drives, but Nissan has to know that
the average person who buys this engine "ain't gonna
drive like Grandma." The verdicts still out on how
PU performs in this app', but I've seen enough to
know exactly how the pure true esters perform...Eneos,
Motul, Redline, that I'm switching to Redline and
can stop wasting all my time watching forums and
oil threads for this engine. $110 case delivered
from OG for me.
Smart Move, I cant think of a better oil to use under stressful conditions.
I'm getting vibes from the two VOAs and several UOAs I've
seen from Nissan Ester run in VQ37s that the base oils
used can't stand up to the heat in the VVEL, even though
it was designed to reduce friction specifically in
that engine. It's probably wonderful stuff for
the way Grandma drives, but Nissan has to know that
the average person who buys this engine "ain't gonna
drive like Grandma." The verdicts still out on how
PU performs in this app', but I've seen enough to
know exactly how the pure true esters perform...Eneos,
Motul, Redline, that I'm switching to Redline and
can stop wasting all my time watching forums and
oil threads for this engine. $110 case delivered
from OG for me.
Smart Move, I cant think of a better oil to use under stressful conditions.
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