Nissan Corp falling off a cliff?

[Mad_Hatter]

Originally Posted by maxdustington
Hyundai ate their lunch in the NA market. They were always the cheaper Japanese brand along with Subaru, but Subaru upped their quality and forged a new identity as a safe reliable family car with AWD. They also have legit performance cars like the WRX and BRZ that are more accessible than the GT-R or 370z.

Nissan just made flashy cars that were cheaper than Honda or Toyota for too long and that became their identity. When the Koreans showed up and did the same thing, but better what market was left for Nissan? Try to take on the Americans with the Titan XD? Cheap Nissan Micras?

They had pretty sweet designs with the G35 and Murano, but they never did anything with that momentum. They ignored NA for too long, and their competition took advantage of that.


+1

 

[PimTac]

Nissan lost its roots with the Renault tie up. They have concentrated on pedestrian sedans for the most part with some crossovers in the mix. They don't seem to have a clear path to the future in autonomous transportation like Toyota does.

The Ghosn affair has hit them hard as well. If you look at their global website it's all fluff but no substance.

https://m.nissan-global.com/EN/

I hope they will come out of this but at this point it will take a bigger partner than Renault and the French govt.

 

[Elkins45]

I bought a 2017 Titan 4x4 based on a combination of price and the long warranty. So far it's been flawless, but the warranty won't mean much if the company doesn't exist anymore. Fingers crossed...

The good news is that there's no way my truck is lower quality than a Ford/Chevy/Dodge. And it was made in Mississippi so at least I paid an American to build it.

 

[Ws6]

I had a 2012 Sport,Touring 370z

First and last Nissan "performance" car I'll ever own.

 

[AZjeff]

I recently bought an '18 Titan S because it's outdated tech. No turbos, or deactivating cylinders, or infotainment center or complicated digital readout information. It does have DI and push to start but I can deal with those. After getting a tire issue resolved it seems like a good simple (relative) truck.

Hope Nissan gets back on track.

 

[AC1DD]

With Mitsubishi Motors tie up Nissan has access to the very deep pockets of the parent company "Mitsubishi Heavy Industries".
I say Nissan and Mitsu Motors cut ties with Renault and go their own way, reboot and look back to what made them such a household name for decades.

MHI has the money to keep both companies from actually needing to file bankruptcy.

 

[Ammofirst]

Have you actually "SEEN" a Nissan lately ? Their entire lineup (cars, trucks, suv) looks like they were beaten to within an inch of their lives with an ugly stick made out of depleted uranium. Some are obviously worse than others but good God have you seen the front end on their new pickup ? Or the body lines on the new maxima ? I've known about the CVT issues for sometime, no tech, no performance, no suprise.

 

[Silk]

Originally Posted by PimTac
Nissan was the one who reported Mitsubishi to the authorities on the fuel economy cheating.


And they were making Nissans for Nissan to Nissan specs - I suspect the whole deal was worked out before they ''exposed'' the so called cheating.

Our Nissan Expert is one of the last real Nissans, before the Renault throw away tech became the new Nissan.

 

[Andrew1972]

Originally Posted by aquariuscsm
My 300ZX was definitely the best car I ever owned.


The 1990-1996 300ZX was a unicorn for Nissan and concur great car.

The balance of line up has and will always be you settled for the Nissan likely on price over a Honda/Toyota/now Hyundai. The market place is saturated,

That being said the Rogue(a few variants together) is a 10 top seller in the US so not sure how Nissan is running themselves into the ground.

 

[thastinger]

We have a 14 Armada, never a single issue out of it.
FIL has a Murano, don't know the year but he has never had any problems either

 

[supton]

Originally Posted by Elkins45
I bought a 2017 Titan 4x4 based on a combination of price and the long warranty. So far it's been flawless, but the warranty won't mean much if the company doesn't exist anymore. Fingers crossed...

I'm guessing you have no worries here. I mean, look at Mitsubushi. Everyone thinks they're gone already, yet they still have dealers and support. Nissan has way more dealerships. It would be rather hard for them to go belly up. Here for years to come I think. If not, they'll just merge with someone else, and that someone else will inherit responsibility for warranties.

 

[LeakySeals]

I know people that bought Suzuki cars. No warranty for them. They're gone. And no one works on them. So there is precedence. But there are so many Nissan's on the road mechanics are familiar and won't mind working on them. and aftermarket manufacturers would surely build parts for them for a while.

Owning a Maxima I frequent Nissan forums. And they are always complaining about CVT. It appears to be a big problem. And I'm wondering if that has contributed to the huge drop in sales.

 

[drtyler]

Just curious, why were you unhappy with it?

Originally Posted by Ws6
I had a 2012 Sport,Touring 370z

First and last Nissan "performance" car I'll ever own.

 

[SwampSurvivor]

I think it's something they have actively been trying to get to - I almost think this is some sort of calculated move. HonYota have the Japanese reliable appliance market cornered. Nissan has just been going for crazy looks and a cheap lease. They self-finance and self-lease all of the cars (though I imagine most do at this point). They are just a finance division of Renault that makes low quality cars cars as a vessel to finance things for people.

We have a leased 2017 Sentra. $200 down, $200 a month. Turn it in and get another. Doesn't matter what your credit is once you have successfully completed a lease, they'll give you their best offer apparently. The quality of the car is really poor. Everything feels cheap. But it has unique looks, gets decent gas mileage and has ice cold AC.

They have two vehicles that are of value to me, mainly because of price: Versa base model with manual trans and crank windows, and Titan XD Gas single cab long bed - it's one of the cheaper HD work trucks on the market.



Originally Posted by supton
Originally Posted by Elkins45
I bought a 2017 Titan 4x4 based on a combination of price and the long warranty. So far it's been flawless, but the warranty won't mean much if the company doesn't exist anymore. Fingers crossed...

I'm guessing you have no worries here. I mean, look at Mitsubushi. Everyone thinks they're gone already, yet they still have dealers and support. Nissan has way more dealerships. It would be rather hard for them to go belly up. Here for years to come I think. If not, they'll just merge with someone else, and that someone else will inherit responsibility for warranties.



I am a firm believer that the Mirage saved Mitsubishi's presence in the US. They're reasonably popular up here. But if you drive through Rome NY, you can't throw a stick without hitting 3 Mirages. They're everywhere in Rome!!

 

[PimTac]

Originally Posted by AC1DD
With Mitsubishi Motors tie up Nissan has access to the very deep pockets of the parent company "Mitsubishi Heavy Industries".
I say Nissan and Mitsu Motors cut ties with Renault and go their own way, reboot and look back to what made them such a household name for decades.

MHI has the money to keep both companies from actually needing to file bankruptcy.





I think this is a viable solution as a start. MHI is a massive conglomerate. They are into everything. They will need to focus on the future though in order to get back to profitability. The Japanese tend to plan things 20-50 years out. Renault may have throttled that thinking back.

 

[CKN]

Originally Posted by Elkins45
I bought a 2017 Titan 4x4 based on a combination of price and the long warranty. So far it's been flawless, but the warranty won't mean much if the company doesn't exist anymore. Fingers crossed...

The good news is that there's no way my truck is lower quality than a Ford/Chevy/Dodge. And it was made in Mississippi so at least I paid an American to build it.





I guess these trucks are so bad that's why they sell in such greater numbers than Nissan's trucks. BTW-The majority of Americans don't care where their vehicles are manufactured. There are many issues on the Titan boards with the XD (especially diesels) in the first couple of model years.

 

[BMWTurboDzl]

It's just business. Excess capacity as the market in general is slowing. It would be a great time to jettison Renault .

 

[supton]

Originally Posted by Miller88
They have two vehicles that are of value to me, mainly because of price: Versa base model with manual trans and crank windows, and Titan XD Gas single cab long bed - it's one of the cheaper HD work trucks on the market.

I was poking around the last couple of nights, looking at Frontier. I think they're rare but you can get an I4/5MT/2WD King cab (aka extended cab) for under $20k supposedly. Seems like it gets reasonable reviews. Although it too has a horrible turning radius. But somehow its 2.5L avoids the pre-cat problem that the FWD 2.5's have, somehow. Anyhow, base/cheap truck, yesteryear technology. Wondering if I want to keep my potential list for the future.

 

[Pew]

Originally Posted by supton
I'm guessing you have no worries here. I mean, look at Mitsubushi. Everyone thinks they're gone already, yet they still have dealers and support. Nissan has way more dealerships. It would be rather hard for them to go belly up. Here for years to come I think. If not, they'll just merge with someone else, and that someone else will inherit responsibility for warranties.


Barely. The mitsu dealerships around IL are disappearing and their warranty support and general customer service is a joke.

 

[HangFire]

Originally Posted by AC1DD
With Mitsubishi Motors tie up Nissan has access to the very deep pockets of the parent company "Mitsubishi Heavy Industries".
I say Nissan and Mitsu Motors cut ties with Renault and go their own way, reboot and look back to what made them such a household name for decades.

MHI has the money to keep both companies from actually needing to file bankruptcy.

Not parent company, but the usual Keiretsu relationship. Which means they can choose to bail out, or do nothing and watch what happens.

I agree Hyundai/Kia has filled the vacuum of the not-Honda/Toyota import space in the NA market. My friends who own Nissans are generally happy with them. Not so sanguine on the memory of the 200SX, a college friend had a disintegrating timing guide that killed the engine early.