Nissan Ariya Discontinued for 2026

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Not surprised. We test drove one before choosing the Equinox EV. Drove great and looks decent on the outside.

The interior and software sucks though. Less storage than it should have due to a ridiculous motorized center console. Touch capacitive buttons for stuff. Just put it on the screen at that point!

Maybe they’ll reuse the same platform for something more sensible?
 
Not surprised. We test drove one before choosing the Equinox EV. Drove great and looks decent on the outside.

The interior and software sucks though. Less storage than it should have due to a ridiculous motorized center console. Touch capacitive buttons for stuff. Just put it on the screen at that point!

Maybe they’ll reuse the same platform for something more sensible?
The console thing is stupid. But I like the hidden storage in the dash. I think the tariffs killed it. With an extra 15% it's just not competitive. They'll need to invest in domestic production...if Nissan survives. Less choice for consumers. Still shopping for a used one to replace my daughter's Altima.
 
One of the best deals for my car buying service has been for a Nissan Ariya.

The customer ended up getting a lemon law buyback from California which was acquired by Nissan due to the windshield wipers not going as fast as the customer would like.

They bought it for four grand under wholesale. Got an extra $4000 for the EV Clean Vehicle Credit. Upon transport, the hauler had it towed behind a big truck that had a ball which scratched up about two inches of the front bumper.

The customer got another $1500 for that as well. I think in the end it only cost them about $18k for a one year old unit with around 7,000 miles on it. The punchline? The buyer works for Harley-Davidson corporate and deals with same remarketing and transport realities. Super nice guy.

I like how Nissan has stayed the course with their EV product line over the past 15 years. I hope the new LEAF coming out becomes the breakout product that Nissan needs.
 
I guess this EV business is not as easy as everyone thought. Datsun then Nissan made some wonderful vehicles over the years. The 1200 sedan, the 510s including the Datusn PU, the 240Z, on and on. I drove the heck outta my little 71 Datsun PU.
 
poor marketing support;
aimed at the premium end when, fair or not, Nissan's reputation is in the gutter (excluding the body on frame stuff)

This is not 1993 when saying you have a '93 Nissan (Maxima) and Normie friends say cool.

Jatco CVT = auto AIDS, then variable compression = hole in the head
 
Ariya is being dropped for the US. Shifting focus to the Leaf.
It might be a good move for them as they cant afford many more mis-steps I think (literally)

The new Leaf will have an MSRP 25% lower than the Ariya all at a time with the expiration of the USA $7,500 to buy an EV and import tariffs for those who don't qualify. Ariya is one of the them. Also the new Leaf will be made in Japan so will have a 15% tariff attached.

Hope it works out for them. Next year is going to be an exciting year to see how everything unfolds. Along with the introduction of the new Chevy Bolt.
I just finished reading this.
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a67948305/nissan-ariya-canceled/

and this, very interesting why they shut down USA manufacturing.
https://www.tennessean.com/story/ne...es-import-from-japan-tariff-auto/84247293007/
 
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Ariya is being dropped for the US. Shifting focus to the Leaf.
I think Nissan is cooked.

The new Leaf is OK, but it brings updates to the Leaf that should have been done years ago (liquid cooled battery, ditching the Chademo fast charge port). Being one of the first movers is nice, and the Leaf was acceptable when it was first introduced, but they waited far too long to iterate. I'm mad at GM because they threw away their investment in the brilliant Volt drivetrain and limited its appeal by only putting it in a small car instead of scaling it to SUVs and trucks... but at least they realized that EVs are the future, made the Bolt, learned from that and realized they needed one scalable platform, came up with Ultium, and now look how it's going for them. Great!

The bigger problem in my mind is Nissan not having a more premium larger EV for people to step up to when they outgrow the Leaf means buyers that can afford something bigger and better (and hopefully, in the future, more profitable) have to move to a different brand.

So, someone wants a cheap small EV, they buy a Leaf, which is probably not profitable. Let's assume they have a positive experience it. Then, 5 years later, they have some kids or a new job, and are ready to upgrade. They research online and go to the dealer and see that Nissan offers NOTHING. What do they do? Go buy something else... Chevy Equinox EV, Honda Prologue, Rivian R1S, Model Y, Model X, whatever... and now they aren't a Nissan customer anymore.

While I've already mentioned I don't like the Ariya in its current form, simply improving the hardware and software features of the user experience/interface would cost very little (compared to coming up with a whole new vehicle) and make it a viable, competitive product. SUVs are the most important product in the US!

GM has done this right. Someone can start with a Bolt, then go to an Equinox EV or Blazer EV as their family and income grows. Maybe the partner wants something with a few more creature comforts, so they get an Optiq or Lyriq instead. Oh, maybe they need a truck, too, because they bought a home and like to DIY? No problem, here's a Silverado EV. Ooh, you got a bonus and work and want something to show your success? Have a GMC Sierra EV Denali, Cadillac Escalade IQ or a Hummer EV. Oh, your kid needs their first car? Well, they can start over with a Bolt.

Tesla has this too, to some extent. Start off with an affordable model like the 3. Have a kid or need a little more space? Y. Oh, made some more money and want something nicer? S or X. Need a truck? Well, if you're OK with how it looks, Cybertruck.

This stuff is what makes or breaks brands in my opinion. If you're an Apple user, you understand this. Personally, I only like iPhones and hate Macs, so the only Apple product I have is an iPhone, but many if not most Apple users will tell you they love the simplicity of one consistent ecosystem... they have an iPhone, AirPods, iPad, MacBook, Mac desktop, Apple TV... and wouldn't even consider anything else. You can even take Samsung as an example although it's a little less well integrated. But if you get a Samsung phone and you like it, maybe you'll get a Samsung TV. Then it's time to buy a laptop, Samsung makes those too. Washing machine? Samsung makes that. Refrigerator? Samsung makes that.

In Q2 2025, Tesla sold 143K EVs, GM (including Prologue) sold 34K EVs, and Ford sold 20K EVs. Nissan sold less than 4K vehicles LOL. Their EVs are not desirable, their ICE vehicles are not desirable, they do not have any HEVs or PHEVs. They're done. And again, they don't build brand loyalty or generations of Nissan buyers anymore. People buy them because they sorted by lowest price or didn't get approved credit anywhere else, and they upgrade to a better brand as soon as they can afford to. It's not aspirational anymore.
 
I think Nissan is cooked.

The new Leaf is OK, but it brings updates to the Leaf that should have been done years ago (liquid cooled battery, ditching the Chademo fast charge port). Being one of the first movers is nice, and the Leaf was acceptable when it was first introduced, but they waited far too long to iterate. I'm mad at GM because they threw away their investment in the brilliant Volt drivetrain and limited its appeal by only putting it in a small car instead of scaling it to SUVs and trucks... but at least they realized that EVs are the future, made the Bolt, learned from that and realized they needed one scalable platform, came up with Ultium, and now look how it's going for them. Great!

The bigger problem in my mind is Nissan not having a more premium larger EV for people to step up to when they outgrow the Leaf means buyers that can afford something bigger and better (and hopefully, in the future, more profitable) have to move to a different brand.

So, someone wants a cheap small EV, they buy a Leaf, which is probably not profitable. Let's assume they have a positive experience it. Then, 5 years later, they have some kids or a new job, and are ready to upgrade. They research online and go to the dealer and see that Nissan offers NOTHING. What do they do? Go buy something else... Chevy Equinox EV, Honda Prologue, Rivian R1S, Model Y, Model X, whatever... and now they aren't a Nissan customer anymore.

While I've already mentioned I don't like the Ariya in its current form, simply improving the hardware and software features of the user experience/interface would cost very little (compared to coming up with a whole new vehicle) and make it a viable, competitive product. SUVs are the most important product in the US!

GM has done this right. Someone can start with a Bolt, then go to an Equinox EV or Blazer EV as their family and income grows. Maybe the partner wants something with a few more creature comforts, so they get an Optiq or Lyriq instead. Oh, maybe they need a truck, too, because they bought a home and like to DIY? No problem, here's a Silverado EV. Ooh, you got a bonus and work and want something to show your success? Have a GMC Sierra EV Denali, Cadillac Escalade IQ or a Hummer EV. Oh, your kid needs their first car? Well, they can start over with a Bolt.

Tesla has this too, to some extent. Start off with an affordable model like the 3. Have a kid or need a little more space? Y. Oh, made some more money and want something nicer? S or X. Need a truck? Well, if you're OK with how it looks, Cybertruck.

This stuff is what makes or breaks brands in my opinion. If you're an Apple user, you understand this. Personally, I only like iPhones and hate Macs, so the only Apple product I have is an iPhone, but many if not most Apple users will tell you they love the simplicity of one consistent ecosystem... they have an iPhone, AirPods, iPad, MacBook, Mac desktop, Apple TV... and wouldn't even consider anything else. You can even take Samsung as an example although it's a little less well integrated. But if you get a Samsung phone and you like it, maybe you'll get a Samsung TV. Then it's time to buy a laptop, Samsung makes those too. Washing machine? Samsung makes that. Refrigerator? Samsung makes that.

In Q2 2025, Tesla sold 143K EVs, GM (including Prologue) sold 34K EVs, and Ford sold 20K EVs. Nissan sold less than 4K vehicles LOL. Their EVs are not desirable, their ICE vehicles are not desirable, they do not have any HEVs or PHEVs. They're done. And again, they don't build brand loyalty or generations of Nissan buyers anymore. People buy them because they sorted by lowest price or didn't get approved credit anywhere else, and they upgrade to a better brand as soon as they can afford to. It's not aspirational anymore.
Good analysis and thoughts. My question for GM and other EV manufacturers is, when are you gonna show a profit?
I wish Nissan, GM and the rest well, because competition is good for the customer...
 
Good analysis and thoughts. My question for GM and other EV manufacturers is, when are you gonna show a profit?
I wish Nissan, GM and the rest well, because competition is good for the customer...
My recollection is that GM is making a per unit profit on its EVs but has not yet recoupled the upfront investment it made.

Sad to see Nissan failing as a brand. The CVT issues were such an unforced error. My Altima is going strong with 182,000 miles on it with a 30K CVT fluid change interval. Hopefully the company can recover. Perhaps go hybrid like Toyota. Nissan have an EREV (e-Power) powertrain. I think it's coming to the U.S. Rogue.
 
Good analysis and thoughts. My question for GM and other EV manufacturers is, when are you gonna show a profit?
I wish Nissan, GM and the rest well, because competition is good for the customer...

That's a tough question. I am not an expert matter in the field, but from my understanding, the more vehicles you sell, the more profit you can make. Both in terms of stuff you buy from suppliers, development costs (hardware and software) and costs like factory utilization. You know all this, but I'm just spelling it out for people that don't get it.

If I buy a factory to make any item, and that factory can make 10,000 items a month, and that factory costs me $5B build and $1M/mo to keep running, it's simple math. If I only make and sell 100 items a month, I'm screwed, and will be bankrupt in a few months. But if I make and sell the full 10,000 items a month, I can make A LOT of money.

As for development, it costs you the same to develop the hardware and software of a car, whether you sell one or a million. Grok says it costs $1-6B. Let's just say we're somewhere in the middle at $4B. If we sell one car, we just lost over $4B. If we sell 1 million cars, only $4K per car goes to development costs.

And for stuff purchased from suppliers, everyone knows the more you buy, the cheaper it is.

Tesla already makes a profit on everything except the Cybertruck from my understanding. GM will make a profit on their vehicles sooner than later IMO. Once they have their in-house LFP batteries ready, that'll help them a lot... they can sell Bolt, base model Silverado EV, with that tech, while reserving more expensive NCM stuff for their more premium models. But even as it is now, they share battery cells, drive units, software, and many other components over so many different vehicles. That's really important!
 
My recollection is that GM is making a per unit profit on its EVs but has not yet recoupled the upfront investment it made.

Sad to see Nissan failing as a brand. The CVT issues were such an unforced error. My Altima is going strong with 182,000 miles on it with a 30K CVT fluid change interval. Hopefully the company can recover. Perhaps go hybrid like Toyota. Nissan have an EREV (e-Power) powertrain. I think it's coming to the U.S. Rogue.
CEO Barra said the Bolt would achieve variable profit in 2024 Q4; she did not say the Bolt was profitable. Variable profit refers to labor and material variable costs based on production; it does not cover fixed cost. The Bolt is not yet profitable but reached an important milestone.
 
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That's a tough question. I am not an expert matter in the field, but from my understanding, the more vehicles you sell, the more profit you can make. Both in terms of stuff you buy from suppliers, development costs (hardware and software) and costs like factory utilization. You know all this, but I'm just spelling it out for people that don't get it.

If I buy a factory to make any item, and that factory can make 10,000 items a month, and that factory costs me $5B build and $1M/mo to keep running, it's simple math. If I only make and sell 100 items a month, I'm screwed, and will be bankrupt in a few months. But if I make and sell the full 10,000 items a month, I can make A LOT of money.

As for development, it costs you the same to develop the hardware and software of a car, whether you sell one or a million. Grok says it costs $1-6B. Let's just say we're somewhere in the middle at $4B. If we sell one car, we just lost over $4B. If we sell 1 million cars, only $4K per car goes to development costs.

And for stuff purchased from suppliers, everyone knows the more you buy, the cheaper it is.

Tesla already makes a profit on everything except the Cybertruck from my understanding. GM will make a profit on their vehicles sooner than later IMO. Once they have their in-house LFP batteries ready, that'll help them a lot... they can sell Bolt, base model Silverado EV, with that tech, while reserving more expensive NCM stuff for their more premium models. But even as it is now, they share battery cells, drive units, software, and many other components over so many different vehicles. That's really important!
Manufacturing finance was a big part of my career. I love cost accounting! Generally speaking increased production lowers cost per unit within the relevant range. That's because fixed costs are spread over a greater number of units and you tend to gain economies of scale in procurement. Basically factory utilization is high.

Of course this assumes other factors, particularly selling price, remain constant. There are others, including delivery and selling costs...

Relevant range refers to the maximum number of units you can produce until you need another factory.
 
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