New User / RS3 Owner

[JOD]

Originally Posted by RSKYBET


I'd like to see what you guys are seeing. What jumps out at you about VMP? It looks slightly thinner than Edge C3, HTHS of 3.6 vs 3.5, and VI of 164 vs 173. Is the TBN of 6.6 low?


high flashpoint, low pour point, and low noack, mostly. As far as viscosity, it meets the 504/507 spec, so it's "thick enough"--and it's also supposedly more shear stable due to the base oils and VI improvers used. In use, it'll likely be as thick as some other off the shelf 0W40's after they shear down.

As far as TBN, if you're doing 5-6K intervals due to potential fuel dilution, I see no advantage to a high TBN oil.

 

[1JZ_E46]

Castrol's website is awful. You can find EDGE 0W-40 at most Walmarts for around $25 a hug. It carries all the "big 4" manufacturer approvals: LL-01, A40, 229.5, and 502.

 

[edyvw]

Originally Posted by RSKYBET
Originally Posted by edyvw
Castrol 0W40 at 100c has similar performance to other W40 oils, whether they are 0W or 5W. HTHS at 150c is 3.7cst which is same as Motul X-Cess 5W40, but has lower kinematic viscosity at 100c, which is actually better.


Upon further research, I found Castrol EDGE Professional A3 0W-40 which is the only Castrol 0W-40 I can find that seems to have an HTHS of 3.7

https://msdspds.castrol.com/bpglis/FusionPDS.nsf/Files/44B77EF28BE4D0E380258124005DA349/$File/BPXE-AMK6ZQ.pdf

I can only seem to find it on UK sites.

Castrol 0W40 is readily available in Wal Mart.
Here is web site:
https://www.castrol.com/en_us/unite...tor-oil/castrol-edge/edge-motor-oil.html


Castrol Edge 0W40 pds that you found online has in data minimum HTHS of 3.5. That is because all approvals that 0W40 has require minimum HTHS of 3.5. Castrol for whatever reason sometimes does and sometimes does not list actual HTHS.
So, it is 3.7, Castrol just decided to give you minimum HTHS that is required on their web site. All oil companies hide something.

 

[oghl]

This is really straight forward: With no track time and 5-6k oci, any of the 5/0w-40 euro spec (229.5, LL01, A40, 502/504) oil will do for you year round.

 

[JOD]

Originally Posted by oghl
This is really straight forward: With no track time and 5-6k oci, any of the 5/0w-40 euro spec (229.5, LL01, A40, 502/504) oil will do for you year round.


It would seem the straightforward thing would be to use what the manufacturer recommends? Whis is a 504/507 rated oil.

 

[1JZ_E46]

Originally Posted by JOD
It would seem the straightforward thing would be to use what the manufacturer recommends? Whis is a 504/507 rated oil.


VAG's oil specification is anything but straight forward. I believe that both 502 and 504 are approved. Hence the recommendation for Castrol 0W-40.

 

[edyvw]

Originally Posted by JOD
Originally Posted by oghl
This is really straight forward: With no track time and 5-6k oci, any of the 5/0w-40 euro spec (229.5, LL01, A40, 502/504) oil will do for you year round.


It would seem the straightforward thing would be to use what the manufacturer recommends? Whis is a 504/507 rated oil.

0/5W40 oil cannot meet VW504.00/507.00. ONLY 0/5W30 oils are VW504.00/507.00.

 

[JOD]

Originally Posted by edyvw
Originally Posted by JOD
Originally Posted by oghl
This is really straight forward: With no track time and 5-6k oci, any of the 5/0w-40 euro spec (229.5, LL01, A40, 502/504) oil will do for you year round.


It would seem the straightforward thing would be to use what the manufacturer recommends? Whis is a 504/507 rated oil.

0/5W40 oil cannot meet VW504.00/507.00. ONLY 0/5W30 oils are VW504.00/507.00.


Sure. Again, seems straightforward to me: use an oil that meets the spec recommended by the manufacturer...

 

[edyvw]

Originally Posted by JOD
Originally Posted by edyvw
Originally Posted by JOD
Originally Posted by oghl
This is really straight forward: With no track time and 5-6k oci, any of the 5/0w-40 euro spec (229.5, LL01, A40, 502/504) oil will do for you year round.


It would seem the straightforward thing would be to use what the manufacturer recommends? Whis is a 504/507 rated oil.

0/5W40 oil cannot meet VW504.00/507.00. ONLY 0/5W30 oils are VW504.00/507.00.


Sure. Again, seems straightforward to me: use an oil that meets the spec recommended by the manufacturer...

Go check VW Atlas oil recommendations. You might end up buying olive oil in bulk in Costco.
Most important thing for any turbo owner is HTHS. Castrol 0W40 checks pretty much all most important boxes, and comes with icing on the cake in terms of super affordability. WHy that oil in EUrope is $20 per liter and here $27 for 4.73 liters is now up for a debate and probably has to do something with margins, marketing etc.

 

[Jimmy_Russells]

Originally Posted by 1JZ_E46
Originally Posted by JOD
It would seem the straightforward thing would be to use what the manufacturer recommends? Whis is a 504/507 rated oil.


VAG's oil specification is anything but straight forward. I believe that both 502 and 504 are approved. Hence the recommendation for Castrol 0W-40.


Not correct. This is the only engine in North America that at this point only specs 504. 502 is ok for top ups.

 

[JOD]

Originally Posted by edyvw


Sure. Again, seems straightforward to me: use an oil that meets the spec recommended by the manufacturer...

Go check VW Atlas oil recommendations. You might end up buying olive oil in bulk in Costco.
Most important thing for any turbo owner is HTHS. Castrol 0W40 checks pretty much all most important boxes, and comes with icing on the cake in terms of super affordability. WHy that oil in EUrope is $20 per liter and here $27 for 4.73 liters is now up for a debate and probably has to do something with margins, marketing etc.
[/quote]

He doesn't have an Atlas. Why the obfuscation? Recommendations for his car are pretty straightforward: 504/507. It's a 60K car. Is it really that big a deal to spend a few extra dollars on an oil that meets the spec? I'm seriously confused.

 

[RSKYBET]

This look like it may be even better than Ravenol VMP based purely on the numbers game (Amsoil European Formula 5w30 Improved ESP - AEL):

https://www.amsoil.com/lit/databulletins/g3395.pdf

 

[zeng]

Specified VW 504 is LL with mid saps.
Not all VW 502 are mid saps though.
Edge 0W40 isn't the 'best' oil for OP, IMHO.

 

[1JZ_E46]

Originally Posted by Jimmy_Russells
Not correct. This is the only engine in North America that at this point only specs 504. 502 is ok for top ups.


Good to know. In that case, some 5w30 options available in jugs:

- Liqui-Moly Top Tec 4200
- Motul X-Clean+
- Total Quartz ineo Long Life
- M1 ESP
- Ravenol VMP
- Pentosin Super Performance III

 

[edyvw]

Originally Posted by JOD
Originally Posted by edyvw


Sure. Again, seems straightforward to me: use an oil that meets the spec recommended by the manufacturer...

Go check VW Atlas oil recommendations. You might end up buying olive oil in bulk in Costco.
Most important thing for any turbo owner is HTHS. Castrol 0W40 checks pretty much all most important boxes, and comes with icing on the cake in terms of super affordability. WHy that oil in EUrope is $20 per liter and here $27 for 4.73 liters is now up for a debate and probably has to do something with margins, marketing etc.


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He doesn't have an Atlas. Why the obfuscation? Recommendations for his car are pretty straightforward: 504/507. It's a 60K car. Is it really that big a deal to spend a few extra dollars on an oil that meets the spec? I'm seriously confused.

I am saying VW is confusing.
WHile it says VW504.00/507.00 for example Castrol recommends oils that are VW505.01.
VW504.00/507.00 is there for other reasons. Sure, there are good 504 oils, or were (Mobil1 ESP 5W30 was probably best) but I personally would do 5k OCI on those oils while warranty is there, after that, Castrol 0W40.
pointed to Atlas to give you idea how confusing VW can be. Audi in the end is VW.

 

[RSKYBET]

Originally Posted by edyvw
Sure, there are good 504 oils, or were (Mobil1 ESP 5W30 was probably best)


Why do you say were/was with regard to M1 ESP? Is it being discontinued?

 

[1JZ_E46]

Originally Posted by RSKYBET
Originally Posted by edyvw
Sure, there are good 504 oils, or were (Mobil1 ESP 5W30 was probably best)


Why do you say were/was with regard to M1 ESP? Is it being discontinued?


M1 changed the formula. It lost LL-04 approval and doesn't look as good on paper.

 

[Jimmy_Russells]

What I gathered from my thread was if you buy an oil that has all three 504, 229.51 and LL04 approval, you can't really do better than that and the rest is splitting hairs. The only thing above that are ester based oils which are much more expensive and don't have 504 approval you want to keep for warranty reasons.

 

[1JZ_E46]

Originally Posted by Jimmy_Russells
Summing up a couple other threads going on right now, if you buy an oil that has all three 504, 229.51 and LL04 approval, you can't really do better than that and the rest is splitting hairs. The only thing above that are ester based oils which are much more expensive and don't have 504 approval you want to keep for warranty reasons.



Better yet, 229.52. Many C3 oils have that approval in addition to 504 and LL-04.

 

[d00df00d]

Yeah, if you can find an oil that has VW 504 and MB 229.51/229.52, you'd be hard pressed to do better for sure. I don't think BMW LL-04 would add much if anything at that point. 504/507 has a rep for being "the toughest" spec to meet, and 229.5x is no slouch. AFAIK the BMW LL-0x specs are mainly just ACEA A3 with a few minor tweaks.

OP, here's one good VW 504 option for you: https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/5w30-top-tec-4200-engine-oil-5-liters-liqui-moly-lm2011

It has the specs you want, and it's from FCP Euro so you get free oil for life after the first purchase.