Scania trucks. At least at one time. Saab sold off its car manufacturing though. That was the irony of their advertising about their aviation history.
Of course Volvo and Rolls-Royce divested their passenger car division decades ago.
New Swedish Fighter Jet
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Of course Volvo and Rolls-Royce divested their passenger car division decades ago.
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Scania is owned by VW now.
I got that. But I specifically remember seeing the Saab-Scania mudflaps on a few trucks. And I think their current logo is still really similar to Saab.
But this is a lot of just trading on the name, like Volvo Cars going through Ford, and now a Chinese owner.
It's too bad because IMHO the last Saab 9-3 on the GM Epslion platform was a great car. I have several friends who owned them and loved them. All had north of 300,000 miles on them when they sold them, and they were running great. I liked the last version of the 9-5, too. Earlier versions had some really funky styling, but the last version looked clean and modern.
I wonder if GM still owns the name plate?
How does the current Swedish jet fighter plane stack up to the US jet fighter planes? And, which of the US jet fighter planes is the new Swedish jet fighter plane the same as, or similar to?
The current model being produced is the Gripen, which is a lightweight delta wing configuration with canards.
The main comparison may be with the F-16. But it's more comparable to the Dassault Rafale or the Chengdu J-10.
Also - the engine is made by Volvo (based off a GE design), so I'm wondering how well they deal with replacement parts and overhauls compared to GE/Pratt/Rolls.
That's an unusual looking fighter jet. Do those canards move at all? Or, are they fixed?The current model being produced is the Gripen, which is a lightweight delta wing configuration with canards.
The main comparison may be with the F-16. But it's more comparable to the Dassault Rafale or the Chengdu J-10.
Also - the engine is made by Volvo (based off a GE design), so I'm wondering how well they deal with replacement parts and overhauls compared to GE/Pratt/Rolls.
Not really. The US doesn't typically use canards and have never had a delta wing fighter (the F-16XL never went into production) but this configuration is actually quite common. The Rafale is the closest comparison.
or a Eurofighter Typhoon.
Even a Chengdu J-10.
The canards are a control surface with motors on the Gripen.
Is stealth technology being given up with the canards, or is it an aerodynamics thing? Or, both?Not really. The US doesn't typically use canards and have never had a delta wing fighter (the F-16XL never went into production) but this configuration is actually quite common. The Rafale is the closest comparison.
or a Eurofighter Typhoon.
Even a Chengdu J-10.
The canards are a control surface with motors on the Gripen.
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F16 is biggest competitor sales wise. Rafale is bigger, two engine airplane.The current model being produced is the Gripen, which is a lightweight delta wing configuration with canards.
The main comparison may be with the F-16. But it's more comparable to the Dassault Rafale or the Chengdu J-10.
Also - the engine is made by Volvo (based off a GE design), so I'm wondering how well they deal with replacement parts and overhauls compared to GE/Pratt/Rolls.
Gripen is limited by two things:
1. Uses engines under license. Sales pending US approval. It is sometimes messy process as, well, US wants to sell planes too.
2. Sweden has limitations on weapons sales that is often influenced by daily domestic politics.
This all makes parties interested in buying Gripen bit tired of process.
I don't believe these were ever meant to be terribly stealth. China's J-20 is claimed to be a 5th generation aircraft, but it's kind of long with canards. It's not really thought to be a dogfighter but more an interceptor.
It’s complicated. The aircraft company still owns the trademark on the name and logo. The final owner
after GM lost their right to the trademark in 2014. My impression is that it reverts to Saab AB since the last owner defaulted.
The US actually had 2 deltas. The F102 Delta Dagger and the F106 Delta Dart. George W. Bush flew the F102 in the Texas ANG. An F106 once landed itself gently after the pilot ejected and it ran out of fuel! It was repaired and returned to service! It also had a nuclear air to air rocket, which was called the Genie. Yikes! I doubt either were worth a crap as dogfighters, but I think the 106 was pretty well respected as an interceptor. It was quite fast. Mach 2.3, I believe, was the published top speed.Not really. The US doesn't typically use canards and have never had a delta wing fighter (the F-16XL never went into production) but this configuration is actually quite common. The Rafale is the closest comparison.
or a Eurofighter Typhoon.
Even a Chengdu J-10.
The canards are a control surface with motors on the Gripen.
I was thinking about it for a while and trying to remember if anything in the Century Series included a delta wing. They were almost all interceptors and most were pretty dangerous - especially the F-104.
Also - the A-4 was a delta, but it was kind of limited as a fighter and it wasn't like other deltas in that there was a separate horizontal stabilizer. I was thinking of the B-58 was a delta and I don't know if a B-2 could be considered sort of a delta.
But certainly there's nothing in the American arsenal of production 4th gen fighters than included a delta configuration.
Did a little more digging, and it went through two different owners, where one lost its right to use the name after bankruptcy. The company still apparently owns the right to the designs and were planning on making a 9-3 based electric car.
https://europe.autonews.com/article...ab-name-won-t-be-revived-under-chinese-owners
The company apparently managed to sell (at auction) the last Saab 9-3, completed in 2013 with about 40 miles on the odo. It was destined for crash tests, but I guess they didn't need to crash it after all.
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/swedish-ev-firm-nevs-sell-final-new-saab-9-3-month
The company has released a 9-3 based EV. I guess they still have the right to the 9-3 name, but not the Saab name.
https://www.saabplanet.com/10-nevs-9-3-ev/
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What 'enormous social problems'? Should we not spend any money on defense by the same metric?
Easy for you to say, you don't live next door with continual naval and air incursions. Quite probably ground ones too...
Well mostly, they did allow the Wehrmacht to use their railways and roads and their military was almost totally mobilized for the duration. Sweden has had a prodigious arms industry throughout its history...
Sweden made weapons for both sides in WWII, the 40mm BOFORS gun system was one used both by the Axis and the US/Britain...
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A bit overstated. I don't think Sweden claims blanket neutrality and does have some sort of association with NATO. They are not a member, but it is no coincidence that Sweden has always use the same ammunition calibers as NATO from their rifles to artillery...
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Upon further review, Sweden is an Enhanced Opportunity Partner of NATO:
https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_52535.htm
https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_52535.htm
These sophisticated and uber expensive aircraft are being designed primarily for air shows. Drones will deliver the ordnance. No pilots needed. There will be no more aerial combat. No more aces, Snoopy was the last;
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