So tell me were are the facts and figures that the great PAO gives you engine say an extra 100k or more of engine life? Just a URL will do.My Mobil 1 AP is between 60-70% PAO ...
You saying that’s just a label ?
So tell me were are the facts and figures that the great PAO gives you engine say an extra 100k or more of engine life? Just a URL will do.My Mobil 1 AP is between 60-70% PAO ...
You saying that’s just a label ?
You deal in facts first instead of this oblique comment ...So tell me were are the facts and figures that the great PAO gives you engine say an extra 100k or more of engine life? Just a URL will do.
Your worldIn the real world - I’d say yes - and it doesn’t functionally matter.
More people will change the oil when their car's built-in "system" tells them to. Is that wrong ?
All you gotta do is figure out what other "10000" miles is on the market by the maker of ST oil (Warren? ).
most likely no one is going to make a "special" oil just for Wal-Mart ... They probably have that "extended" version selling under a different name like Amazon or Kirkland, etc.
Why not? If Walmart wants the oil Warren Distribution will oblige.
yes they do, super tech, Kirkland and MaG1 Synthetic used in a modern Toyota. The machine determines the oil interval so long as the oil meets the specifications not the other way around.I guess that's a possibility since Wal-Mart sells more than a few cans of oil per day ... I did leave a little room for exceptions by saying most likely. lol
Does Warren have any 10000 miles or extended oil on the market today?
yes they do, super tech, Kirkland and MaG1 Synthetic used in a modern Toyota. The machine determines the oil interval so long as the oil meets the specifications not the other way around.
EP is now back to being 20k after they discontinued AP.However there are extended oils on the market and I assume marketing is always a factor... for example Mobil has the Extended Performance M1 EP with "15000 miles of guaranteed protection" (iirc, used to be 20K in old days) in addition to other Mobil flavors.
I assume the Extended oils may have a higher TBN, maybe lower Noack, etc.
The EP’s tend to have a mix of base stocks to form the base oil … and different anti oxidation chemistryHowever there are extended oils on the market and I assume marketing is always a factor... for example Mobil has the Extended Performance M1 EP with "15000 miles of guaranteed protection" (iirc, used to be 20K in old days) in addition to other Mobil flavors.
I assume the Extended oils may have a higher TBN, maybe lower Noack, etc.
Yes they have premium components and there are many machines that can use premium lubricants to extend service intervals.However there are extended oils on the market and I assume marketing is always a factor... for example Mobil has the Extended Performance M1 EP with "15000 miles of guaranteed protection" (iirc, used to be 20K in old days) in addition to other Mobil flavors.
I assume the Extended oils may have a higher TBN, maybe lower Noack, etc.
The cost of oil is such a small slice of the ownership cost that it is in the noise. Most people on here are not making logical investments, they are OCD and enjoy getting nuts over a topic (me included).Yes they have premium components and there are many machines that can use premium lubricants to extend service intervals.
If a machine is not suited for the extended interval due to soot, fuel dilution or other factors because of gdi turbo and other desig factors and Must be changed more frequently then the premium oil design and Cost benefits Are not going to be used and that type of machine would benefit most from a more frequent maintenance interval with a specified oil. ( switching to investments, this is analogous to paying a 1% annual mutual fund fee for an index fund when there are many free and low cost index funds available, they will both perform the same so why pay more for the same outcome? One could flip this for actively managed funds That outperform indexes being worth the cost, in this case the machines interval is being extended through analysis and premium product. This allows long term gains in time and or money for the owner.).
sometimes the machine drives this decision Based on its requirements and not the owners.
The OP is referring to the new 'Advanced Full Synthetic' category listed on the back label of the oil in the picture.This is just Walmart/Supertech high-mileage, full synthetic with new labeling. Walmart is not going to stock variations of their own high-mileage, synthetic. The old ones (without the 10k miles reference on the label) will go away.
There are no guarantees In life. I hedge my bets with funds and managers that have weathered The market for long terms And a mix of index funds And alot of diversification. But I tend to think humans get fortunate while computer controlled index management will score better in the longer run,The cost of oil is such a small slice of the ownership cost that it is in the noise. Most people on here are not making logical investments, they are OCD and enjoy getting nuts over a topic (me included).
But... if you know of actively managed funds guaranteed to beat the index I'd love to hear about such a product. It is probably as effective as using extended oil drain intervals or UOAs to "save money".
I only buy indexes so there you go!There are no guarantees In life. I hedge my bets with funds and managers that have weathered The market for long terms And a mix of index funds And alot of diversification. But I tend to think humans get fortunate while computer controlled index management will score better in the longer run,
with oil you can actively manage or run the index, which is specified oils and manufacturer Recomendations or extended changes with analysis.
This has a lot to do with time, personal interest and personality as anything.
My '11 focus seemed to be fine with it!I'd run in it out to 10k on a late model vehicle.