New Range 36" Monogram

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The unreliable Bertazonni left the station and a new 36" monogram pulled in yesterday afternoon.

First cook - Breakfast, starting with everyones favorite bacon.

Went with all gas Vs more automated Dual Fuel style.
With the way power is around here Its just a matter of time before we're prepping dinner on genset power.

The 36" range is a super highly contested space. Looked at everything in the size and settled on this for a few reasons.

One of the few gas ranges with a warm and a proof mode. We use both of these fairly often when we have them.
Can fit a full size sheet (you'd be surprised how many cant)
Two full size fully extendable rails.
3 piece grates that reverse to cradle a wok this is super nice as wok cradles raise the wok enough to make a heating difference.
Superb flame control 4 of the 6 burners can go so low you put your hand on the grate over them.
Broiler is both gas and infrared.
Brass burners.

Im not a huge fan of the brass knob accents but wasn't ready to pay for SS knobs just yet.

For this that were on the Coffee thread The Keurig is on station because baby boy is in town and drinks decaf and we're not altering our superautomatic for him.

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Very nice! Sorry to hear that the Bertazzoni was unreliable, was it actually Made In Italy?

It was made in Italy. There were things to like about it for sure.

I liked how it looked. It was gorgeous.
I liked the huge center burner on the cooktop. Great for boiling a big pot of water.
I liked the stability of the grates.

I lost two thermocouples and an igniter in 4 years. Parts were expensive and slow to get.
The door couldn't be cleaned between panes so it always looked dirty.
The grates were right on top of the burners, maybe 1/4 inch clearance - great for heat - horrible for trying to simmer even on the smallest burner.
The floor was warped and the part not available so it didnt bake evenly.
The cavity was small - there was storage on the lower part of the oven, thats a choice I wouldn't make to give up oven space for storage
The racks weren't sliders and didnt extend very far.
The convection fan moved about as much air as a panting squirrel.
The lowest temp I could get out of it was about 200 so useless as a warmer or a proofer.
 
Don't forget your knob covers so your dog doesn't turn it on.
Looks like a nice stove.

I never have had those, but that's an interesting add on, I suppose I could just pull the knobs?

The monogram team did a nice job making a competitive product.
 
Is your new Monogram range actually made in the US?

With such little product built here, country of origin didnt drive the purchase. Im happy that a number of paychecks stayed at home though.

This one went down in way I never expected. I watched a dozen on line comparisons, and fully expected to buy either a Wolf or a Miele. The online reviews missed a bunch of stuff. There is a large gap between the all gas features and dual fuel features and I wasn't going down the dual fuel route for a few reasons that were based on money mainly powering during an all too frequent outage.

The Wolf ended up being a disappointment.
Great flame control, small cavity, cant fit a full sheet, only one sliding rack.
Zero features - not even a timer. No Proof, no warm, no probe, no clean mode.
The red knobs are cool though.

The Miele oven was great, but the cooktop was comparatively weak from an output and flame control perspective.
We didnt even get to the full sheet test because of the cooktop.

The Kitchen Aid and Thermador cant fit a full sheet pan in the oven.
 
I never have had those, but that's an interesting add on, I suppose I could just pull the knobs?

The monogram team did a nice job making a competitive product.
Those front mounted knobs are the issue as you can imagine. There is a big Samsung recall for the exact "defect" (according to some judge) so they were forced to make covers for the knobs.
Now if the springs and knob action (such as push and turn) were such that in your judgement they won't be needed, then I wouldn't worry too much.
Apparently someones dog nearly burned down their house!
https://www.samsung.com/us/support/troubleshooting/TSG01203557/
 
Those front mounted knobs are the issue as you can imagine. There is a big Samsung recall for the exact "defect" (according to some judge) so they were forced to make covers for the knobs.
Now if the springs and knob action (such as push and turn) were such that in your judgement they won't be needed, then I wouldn't worry too much.
Apparently someones dog nearly burned down their house!
https://www.samsung.com/us/support/troubleshooting/TSG01203557/

It requires a pretty significant push before the turn.
Our girl isn't a jumper, but we leave the top unobstructed whenever leaving the house.
Ye Olde Bertazonni was worse in this regard.
 
There is a large gap between the all gas features and dual fuel features and I wasn't going down the dual fuel route for a few reasons that were based on money mainly powering during an all too frequent outage.

I cant go back and edit at this point so Im going to rephrase this just a bit.

I was willing to pay what I needed to get what I wanted, so money wasn't the most important driver.

What I learned with the Miele wall ovens is that I/we only used a small subset of the features so paying more for a dual fuel because of the features, was most likely a waste of money. There is usually 2-5K on top of a 5-7K oven so landing well above 12K for the Wolf/ Miele.

The reason for the electric oven is simply more granular control, stability in terms of over or undershoot, and better automation over that control. You can routinely make 10 degree adjustments in an electric where gas is typically 25 degree increments regardless of what an analog or digital control says on it.

A driving factor was the kitchen is setup for gas and 110 so selecting a dual fuel meant running another hot to the kitchen, which at this point would necessitate rejigging the breakers outside, but it was doable.

A big driving factor was the very real possibility of powering the oven during a summer outage which we had over 30 of in the past 24 months, one lasting 3 days.

Running off the genset a 5 ton air, 3 fridges, 3 water pumps, 2 offices, washer /dryer, dishwasher, garage door openers, adding another 240V 3000 watt load is doable, but a major load.

Not needing specific features, getting enough of what I wanted , and diversifying the load, all combined to keep the solution all gas.



Miele wall ovens in LA house (now a rental)
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