Originally Posted By: kschachn
Well first off, there really isn't any definitive evidence that the loss of LL-01 was due to a formulation change. So you're making that up for one thing. Secondly it still carries all the other certifications, so it's not as if the oil has gone "downhill" unless you can explain to all of us exactly how it is inferior now as opposed to before. Do you have an actual need for an LL-01 oil or are you just commenting in general?
And lastly what exactly did you want them to do so that you would "notice"? Put NO LONGER MEETS LONGLIFE-01 on the front of the container in large print? A personal email to everyone in the world? Change the container plastic color? A flashing light at each sale point? They took it off the list of certifications on the back (and on their website), is that insufficient?
Originally Posted By: camrydriver111
EM thinks they can change the formulation and thinks we won't notice!
Looks like M1 0W40 is not the king of oils anymore.
I think you are also spinning this around, trying to somehow justify M1.
M1 also dropped that Nissan GT-R thing. But who cares? What was GT-R? Was it actually specification or just marketing deal with Nissan? However, for company like M1 not to have BMW LL-01 spec. is seriously problem, at least in my eyes. We are not talking here about Russia Lada (and M1 caries their specification for what is worth it), but BMW! Bobbydavaro(something like that) said that LL-01 is now hardest spec. to meet since they included N20 engine in testing. So what I see is that M1 cannot meet that test with this formulation. I am not so sure M1 would just like that give up all those BMW's on the road.