Toyota claims that they had alot of Demand for the tacomas with a manual transmission. The issue they mentioned is CAFE. Apparently if they sell too many they pay a penalty as they don't get the same fuel economy as the automatics.
New manual transmission options continue to dwindle
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I don’t know… between a clapped out 2000’ish civic and a really nice 2015 WRX sti id pick the civic. The STI is just too twitchy.
CAFE penalties is supposedly the reason why mini cooper no longer makes REAL mini coopers. Now they are all powered by DSG abominations.
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Try to eat, drink, text and drive a manual at the same time. Not very fun!
All the more reason. Driving and paying attention should be #1 priority for your own and others safety.Try to eat, drink, text and drive a manual at the same time. Not very fun!
My kids learned to drive my '07 Sonata 5MT, they prefer the replacement '17 Accord 6MT. They both have automatics but that's what was available when we bought them used and got handed down.
When my needs to commute in long island traffic he prefers his auto. The traffic here doesn't play nice with leaving in gear and leaving some space. Any space they cut you off for that 1 car length anyway. The 15-20mph crawl is a lot of clutch time.
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That’s why I ride motorcycles, that scratches both the speed and manual itch.
I will try to keep at least one manual for as long as I live. My current plan is to maintain my 1991 Toyota Previa 5 speed as long as possible. It’s a unicorn, and I enjoy driving a car no one else has.
Manuals are too enjoyable for me to live without. They satisfy my itch to achieve the smoothest shift, closest rev match, and ideal engine brake.
Although my scion Xb has a grinding 3rd gear in this subfreezing temperatures. I’m wondering if I should pay a transmission shop to replace the synchros. Already tried replacing the fluid. Even manuals are not bulletproof.
Manuals are too enjoyable for me to live without. They satisfy my itch to achieve the smoothest shift, closest rev match, and ideal engine brake.
Although my scion Xb has a grinding 3rd gear in this subfreezing temperatures. I’m wondering if I should pay a transmission shop to replace the synchros. Already tried replacing the fluid. Even manuals are not bulletproof.
I have no problem doing that. It's a 5 or 6 speed, not a 18 speed where you're jamming gears all the time.Try to eat, drink, text and drive a manual at the same time. Not very fun!
My favorite manual, which I unfortunately had to sell to contribute to the down payment on a house in 2017, was in an '08 Audi RS4 Cabriolet, which had the 4.2L V8 w/6-spd stick:
This V8 has an 8,200 rpm redline...
This V8 has an 8,200 rpm redline...
I wonder how the cost of that would compare to just swapping a complete tranny from a junkyard?
I’m considering buying a cosmetically challenged Mazda2 and storing it in my barn (no tags or insurance) for when my last manual wears out.
My 1988 Sentra is about as basic as you can possibly get.
I found texting with an automatic on a straight road with no traffic to be too much to try--for a bit, before it was illegal, I made it a point to try once a year or so, so as to make sure to ward off any future temptation. I have no idea how people manage to text on a keypad while driving (other than, guardian angels). I find voice to text to be the limit.Try to eat, drink, text and drive a manual at the same time. Not very fun!
But eating, drinking, driving and shifting? child's play. I was doing that within weeks of getting my license.
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While at times I miss a manual and think that my next vehicle ought to be... I think I am in the minority and don't mind my CVT. I'm sure I'll change my tune when it breaks... but until then, it just does its job in the commuter vehicle that it is. And when I had my truck, that automatic was really nice for backing up a trailer, up inclines and whatever. Lousy for driving in snow.
Thread should read-
"New customers for manual transmissions continue to dwindle"......
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Again-I'm guessing take rate is less than 5% .......
Now let me find those bias ply tires for my station wagon I put somewhere!
"New customers for manual transmissions continue to dwindle"......
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Again-I'm guessing take rate is less than 5% .......
Now let me find those bias ply tires for my station wagon I put somewhere!
Drove a "2025" Mazda3 hatchback with 6 speed manual not to long ago. Had my wife not wanted a cx30 I would have sprung for it. The trans was silky smooth and with ample torque from the 2.5L 4 cylinder excessive downshifting wasn't necessary. Fairly easy to maintain higher gears without lugging. Very fun car and easy to drive in traffic. Reasonably quick acceleration. Mazda built some zoom zoom in that car when very few manufacturers are currently doing so. Best of all it comes in a well trimmed and not a stripped down package. Priced about 32.5K !
In 2021 I decided to replace my good condition '05 Echo in order to hand it down to my stepdaughter who was of driving age and willing to learn stick shift. EVs were a lot more expensive so I decided to get one last MT car for the next 10-15 years. That left very few choices, but I decided on a '21 Corolla. I was met with a look of disbelief from the salesman while filling up the order form when I told him I wanted a manual SE. He actually had to get this special order approved by upper management since it's a MT before carrying on with the paperwork and warned me that even though MT is available, it's special order only so it could take a while, probably hoping I would change my mind. I told him I currently have a good working car, I will wait if needed.
And wait I did, as it took 5 months for my car to show up and it ended up being a '22 model year. Unknown to me at the time, '22 was to be the last year MT was available on a Corolla (except the current GR).
I've been enjoying it since.
On a sad note, my wife kinda talked her daughter out of having a MT car so I sold my '05.
And wait I did, as it took 5 months for my car to show up and it ended up being a '22 model year. Unknown to me at the time, '22 was to be the last year MT was available on a Corolla (except the current GR).
I've been enjoying it since.
On a sad note, my wife kinda talked her daughter out of having a MT car so I sold my '05.
I'm with those who find a light low-powered car a delight with a stick. Our old Civics were great fun to drive and our later Accords were as well, although much larger and heavier.
We once drove sticks as a matter of choice. The last one we had was my old e36 BMW ragtop. Fun with a stick and it would have been boring and slow with a slushbox.
A bit of a shame that young drivers won't be able to enjoy the fun of a basic small four cylinder with three pedals.
We once drove sticks as a matter of choice. The last one we had was my old e36 BMW ragtop. Fun with a stick and it would have been boring and slow with a slushbox.
A bit of a shame that young drivers won't be able to enjoy the fun of a basic small four cylinder with three pedals.
When I had pickups everyone I ever owned was a manual. Now we've got a 2005 Camry with auto and 2027 Corolla with a CVT. I hate the CVT. If I replace the Camry I'm going manual. For commuting I'd buy a manual tranny Versa or a manual Focus.
