That stabilizer does about everything for your engine except change the oil and filter for you.
New Lucas Oil Stabilizer High Mileage
- Thread starter mrfd222
- Start date
- Status
Their power steering additive slows leaks a bit and their transmission additive might help a failing transmission live a few more miles, but this stuff seems to be no better than squirting a tube of shoe repair goop into the crankcase.
gathermewool
Site Donor 2023
Originally Posted By: HerrStig
Their power steering additive slows leaks a bit and their transmission additive might help a failing transmission live a few more miles, but this stuff seems to be no better than squirting a tube of shoe repair goop into the crankcase.
I bought a WELL used 88 Ramcharger a little less than a decade ago for $500. It had a leak somewhere in the PS system that was "fixed" with a good shot of Lucas. Based on this one experience I'd say Lucas isn't 100% worthless, but I for darned sure think their UCL and oil thickeners are.
Their power steering additive slows leaks a bit and their transmission additive might help a failing transmission live a few more miles, but this stuff seems to be no better than squirting a tube of shoe repair goop into the crankcase.
I bought a WELL used 88 Ramcharger a little less than a decade ago for $500. It had a leak somewhere in the PS system that was "fixed" with a good shot of Lucas. Based on this one experience I'd say Lucas isn't 100% worthless, but I for darned sure think their UCL and oil thickeners are.
The weird thing is, this forum bashes Lucas products, but the amazon, walmart, pepboys, autozone, O'reilly's, Napa, etc all have stellar reviews on the UCL, transfix, and HDOS. Can someone explain that to me? I'm not being silly, it's a valid question. I've used the HDOS in my 5.4 3v for 1 oci and didn't notice a difference with 5w20 and a MC820s. I figured it would be the same like what I'm doing now, running a 5w30.
MolaKule
Staff member
Originally Posted By: Langanobob
Originally Posted By: Eddie
Buy LUCAS products because they sponsor Drag Strip racing which I watch. Ed
That is Lucas' MO. An engineer from one of the major oil companies told me that Lucas spends so much money supporting racing (a good thing) that they don't have enough money left to actually develop and produce quality products.
By undertreating their products they save enough money to sponsor races.
I haven't seen any data that shows it adds anything to modern engine oils, or provides any additive or base oil component we formulators have left out.
Originally Posted By: Eddie
Buy LUCAS products because they sponsor Drag Strip racing which I watch. Ed
That is Lucas' MO. An engineer from one of the major oil companies told me that Lucas spends so much money supporting racing (a good thing) that they don't have enough money left to actually develop and produce quality products.
By undertreating their products they save enough money to sponsor races.
I haven't seen any data that shows it adds anything to modern engine oils, or provides any additive or base oil component we formulators have left out.
Last edited:
MolaKule
Staff member
Quote:
The weird thing is, this forum bashes Lucas products, but the amazon, walmart, pepboys, autozone, O'reilly's, Napa, etc all have stellar reviews on the UCL, transfix, and HDOS. Can someone explain that to me?
Stellar reviews with respect to what? Technical attributes or fly-by-night uneducated opinions.
The weird thing is, this forum bashes Lucas products, but the amazon, walmart, pepboys, autozone, O'reilly's, Napa, etc all have stellar reviews on the UCL, transfix, and HDOS. Can someone explain that to me?
Stellar reviews with respect to what? Technical attributes or fly-by-night uneducated opinions.
Originally Posted By: 901Memphis
Originally Posted By: Shannow
I've not seen ANYONE provide ANY evidence from the oil companies that Lucas in any way degrades the performance of their engine oils.
In the absence of such evidence from the major oil companies, one must therefore conclude that their claims are valid, and for people who need the log of claims presented on the advertisements.
I can't tell if you're joking?
Nah, it was joking, after all I came up with "subtractive" rather than "additive" for this group of products...all they do is subtract ppms of active ingredients, while only "adding" viscosity...clearly, if you need viscosity, then get an oil that's fully additised.
Was a play on the recent rat posts where no major has countered Rat, so therefore his results are gospel.
It's slightly more silly than the "nothing blew up", which is a new proof of performance in BITOG the last 18 months or so.
Originally Posted By: Shannow
I've not seen ANYONE provide ANY evidence from the oil companies that Lucas in any way degrades the performance of their engine oils.
In the absence of such evidence from the major oil companies, one must therefore conclude that their claims are valid, and for people who need the log of claims presented on the advertisements.
I can't tell if you're joking?
Nah, it was joking, after all I came up with "subtractive" rather than "additive" for this group of products...all they do is subtract ppms of active ingredients, while only "adding" viscosity...clearly, if you need viscosity, then get an oil that's fully additised.
Was a play on the recent rat posts where no major has countered Rat, so therefore his results are gospel.
It's slightly more silly than the "nothing blew up", which is a new proof of performance in BITOG the last 18 months or so.
Originally Posted By: 2012AccentSE
The weird thing is, this forum bashes Lucas products, but the amazon, walmart, pepboys, autozone, O'reilly's, Napa, etc all have stellar reviews on the UCL, transfix, and HDOS. Can someone explain that to me? I'm not being silly, it's a valid question.
The big difference is that BITOG is all about the oil, the additives, and what goes into them. By its very nature, BITOG is a FAR more informed population, per capita.
Your average Amazon, WalMart, PepBoys (etc..) reviewer doesn't really know any better, and typically leaves their review based off of one use, without really considering that for virtually every oil/fuel additive, one use is a very poor sample size.
That, or it's the result of "My buddy uses it, and I used it too, and my car hasn't broken down yet" thinking.
Originally Posted By: 2012AccentSE
I've used the HDOS in my 5.4 3v for 1 oci and didn't notice a difference with 5w20 and a MC820s. I figured it would be the same like what I'm doing now, running a 5w30.
Again, one use is a very poor sample size. The only thing you can really definitively say is that the HDOS has lightened your wallet some, thickened your oil, and weakened the overall additive ratio. You may effectively be running a 5w30, but it's a 'weak' 5w30.
The weird thing is, this forum bashes Lucas products, but the amazon, walmart, pepboys, autozone, O'reilly's, Napa, etc all have stellar reviews on the UCL, transfix, and HDOS. Can someone explain that to me? I'm not being silly, it's a valid question.
The big difference is that BITOG is all about the oil, the additives, and what goes into them. By its very nature, BITOG is a FAR more informed population, per capita.
Your average Amazon, WalMart, PepBoys (etc..) reviewer doesn't really know any better, and typically leaves their review based off of one use, without really considering that for virtually every oil/fuel additive, one use is a very poor sample size.
That, or it's the result of "My buddy uses it, and I used it too, and my car hasn't broken down yet" thinking.
Originally Posted By: 2012AccentSE
I've used the HDOS in my 5.4 3v for 1 oci and didn't notice a difference with 5w20 and a MC820s. I figured it would be the same like what I'm doing now, running a 5w30.
Again, one use is a very poor sample size. The only thing you can really definitively say is that the HDOS has lightened your wallet some, thickened your oil, and weakened the overall additive ratio. You may effectively be running a 5w30, but it's a 'weak' 5w30.
Could the stellar reviews be a conflict of interest?
Originally Posted By: Donald
The only thing Lucas has is good, is the gizmo with some cranks and gears that shows you how well Lucas works. Amuse yourself while the parts guy finds your parts.
And yet, if this was a plug for Auto Rx you'd be giving it wonderful praise....
The only thing Lucas has is good, is the gizmo with some cranks and gears that shows you how well Lucas works. Amuse yourself while the parts guy finds your parts.
And yet, if this was a plug for Auto Rx you'd be giving it wonderful praise....
I think Lucas falls into the category of it really doesn't hurt anything, if used in the proper ration, yet provides marginal benefits in a worn engine. The reviews are hundreds that praise the product. I think if it was as junky as most people here say, the reviews would be reflecting that, and it would be pulled off the market. Also, can someone provide evidence on what exactly is in the HDOS? the MSDS claims it has base stock and additives, but doesn't specify what.
Well, I was able to find one VOA for Lucal Oil Stabilizer - Granted, it's not the HD version, but it will give you an idea of what's in the standard stuff.
Here is the skinny on LOS
Unless listed all are 'Zero'
Lucas Virgin
TBN - 0.1
Visc - 615.3
FP - 435
Calcium - 3
Magnesium - 1
Phosphorus - 4
Zinc - 2
Link to source thread
As you can see, the stuff is ridiculously thick, and has virtually no useful additives.
It's a thickener/tackifier, a great way to thin out your add pack, and a great way to spend that unwanted money.
Here is the skinny on LOS
Unless listed all are 'Zero'
Lucas Virgin
TBN - 0.1
Visc - 615.3
FP - 435
Calcium - 3
Magnesium - 1
Phosphorus - 4
Zinc - 2
Link to source thread
As you can see, the stuff is ridiculously thick, and has virtually no useful additives.
It's a thickener/tackifier, a great way to thin out your add pack, and a great way to spend that unwanted money.
Originally Posted By: 2012AccentSE
I think Lucas falls into the category of it really doesn't hurt anything, if used in the proper ration, yet provides marginal benefits in a worn engine. The reviews are hundreds that praise the product. I think if it was as junky as most people here say, the reviews would be reflecting that, and it would be pulled off the market. Also, can someone provide evidence on what exactly is in the HDOS? the MSDS claims it has base stock and additives, but doesn't specify what.
As has been shown, when it dilutes the existing additives then yes it does harm.
I think Lucas falls into the category of it really doesn't hurt anything, if used in the proper ration, yet provides marginal benefits in a worn engine. The reviews are hundreds that praise the product. I think if it was as junky as most people here say, the reviews would be reflecting that, and it would be pulled off the market. Also, can someone provide evidence on what exactly is in the HDOS? the MSDS claims it has base stock and additives, but doesn't specify what.
As has been shown, when it dilutes the existing additives then yes it does harm.
Im glad I only used it for 1 oci then!!!
MolaKule
Staff member
Originally Posted By: SirTanon
Well, I was able to find one VOA for Lucal Oil Stabilizer - Granted, it's not the HD version, but it will give you an idea of what's in the standard stuff.
Here is the skinny on LOS
Unless listed all are 'Zero'
Lucas Virgin
TBN - 0.1
Visc - 615.3
FP - 435
Calcium - 3
Magnesium - 1
Phosphorus - 4
Zinc - 2
Link to source thread
As you can see, the stuff is ridiculously thick, and has virtually no useful additives.
It's a thickener/tackifier, a great way to thin out your add pack, and a great way to spend that unwanted money.
Well, I was able to find one VOA for Lucal Oil Stabilizer - Granted, it's not the HD version, but it will give you an idea of what's in the standard stuff.
Here is the skinny on LOS
Unless listed all are 'Zero'
Lucas Virgin
TBN - 0.1
Visc - 615.3
FP - 435
Calcium - 3
Magnesium - 1
Phosphorus - 4
Zinc - 2
Link to source thread
As you can see, the stuff is ridiculously thick, and has virtually no useful additives.
It's a thickener/tackifier, a great way to thin out your add pack, and a great way to spend that unwanted money.
What the [censored]? They made a new version? I wonder what's so special about this "high-mileage" version. It's probably just even thicker than before.
My guess is they added something to swell up your seals to stop leaks. Now you have thick oil with seal sweller.
I have 4 gallons of the oil stabilizer, 2 gallons of some sort of hydraulic oil and a few smaller random bottles of trans fix and oil stabilizer. I bought it at an inner city Kmart that must have mistakenly ordered it or wasn't supposed to stock it and I had $15 in Shop Your Way points on an automotive purchase of $25, so I bought a few oil filters and light bulbs then just grabbed all the Lucas.
I'm not entirely sure what to do with it. It seemed like a great deal but was more of a stupid impulse buy. I've used the trans fix before and it does help leaky slipping trans for a while. I have an ancient tractor I might be able use some of the hydraulic stuff in maybe it'll shift smoother at some point.
The oil stabilizer itself though is virtually worthless, I knew it when I bought it and in my mind I'm thinking it was a great deal and there has to be something to use it in well it's not so easy.
About the only use is to squeeze some extra life out of disposable grade yard equipment with low compression or to quiet a car on its dying legs.
I have 4 gallons of the oil stabilizer, 2 gallons of some sort of hydraulic oil and a few smaller random bottles of trans fix and oil stabilizer. I bought it at an inner city Kmart that must have mistakenly ordered it or wasn't supposed to stock it and I had $15 in Shop Your Way points on an automotive purchase of $25, so I bought a few oil filters and light bulbs then just grabbed all the Lucas.
I'm not entirely sure what to do with it. It seemed like a great deal but was more of a stupid impulse buy. I've used the trans fix before and it does help leaky slipping trans for a while. I have an ancient tractor I might be able use some of the hydraulic stuff in maybe it'll shift smoother at some point.
The oil stabilizer itself though is virtually worthless, I knew it when I bought it and in my mind I'm thinking it was a great deal and there has to be something to use it in well it's not so easy.
About the only use is to squeeze some extra life out of disposable grade yard equipment with low compression or to quiet a car on its dying legs.
Last edited:
OVERKILL
$100 Site Donor 2021
Do you own a chainsaw? It works as bar lube.
They probably struck a deal with ATP so that they use a little AT-205 Re-Seal in the product to make their claims about curing leaks.
- Status
