New Lower Price for M1 0W-30 ESP

[Plumb Bob]

I'm definitely not the expert, but that is what I've read here. No ANs or esters.

Carries lots of great approvals, though. And that will suffice, to me at least.

 

[asker123]

I think a few people have explained why 5W vs 0W doesn't matter in the summer. You seem deadset on running the 5W in the summer, so best of luck with it. The W rating does not come into play except at low temperatures. It has the same approvals, so I'm sure it will serve you well.

Thanks. I try to learn. If 0W30 and 5W30 would be same then why would 5W30 even exist? They got winters covered by 0W where I clearly see advantage of 0W. If the same oil can serve summer as well then why would oil companies and auto manufacturers not eliminate 5W30 oil altogether ( or to that matter get away with 5W20 and replace it with 0W20)

 

[OilUzer]

I think old(er) people are afraid of 0W and they have a lot of buying power. It also leaks. J/K

Also 5W is cheaper and there is a market (price, approvals, application, temperature range, etc.) for that.

Thanks. I try to learn. If 0W30 and 5W30 would be same then why would 5W30 even exist? They got winters covered by 0W where I clearly see advantage of 0W. If the same oil can serve summer as well then why would oil companies and auto manufacturers not eliminate 5W30 oil altogether ( or to that matter get away with 5W20 and replace it with 0W20)

 

[buster]

Did the prior version of Mobil 1 5w30 ESP meet BMW L04? If not, that could be why they removed the ester component. In that case I'd go with the M1 ESP 0w30 every time. However, we still don't know if what they're using in the 5w30 is as good. It could very well be.

 

[Patman]

Did the prior version of Mobil 1 5w30 ESP meet BMW L04? If not, that could be why they removed the ester component. In that case I'd go with the M1 ESP 0w30 every time. However, we still don't know if what they're using in the 5w30 is as good. It could very well be.

In the jug I have right here of ESP 5w30, which I bought recently and shows a production date of November 2024, it has BMW LL04 on it. I believe they stopped using esters at this time. I will check my older one

 

[Patman]

Here is my older jug, which was produced in July 2023 and supposedly still used esters

 

[Patman]

And here is the original formula from 2018, when it definitely still had esters. It shows LL04 on it

 

[buster]

Here is my older jug, which was produced in July 2023 and supposedly still used estersView attachment 280742

Ok thanks. So that's not the reason then. Thanks @Patman

 

[Patman]

Ok thanks. So that's not the reason then. Thanks @Patman

I’m so curious as to why they removed the esters from the 5w30 but not the 0w30. And what exactly is the base oil blend now for the 5w30? It still has the same approvals, so whatever they are doing it doesn’t seem to have hindered its performance

 

[OilUzer]

M1 does the same thing with Euro 0/5W-40. I have both and same approvals.

The 0W could be a little bit more approved.

 

[Glenda W.]

I’m so curious as to why they removed the esters from the 5w30 but not the 0w30. And what exactly is the base oil blend now for the 5w30? It still has the same approvals, so whatever they are doing it doesn’t seem to have hindered its performance

I was told here one of the BMW approvals has virgin oxidation limits.

Edit: oops already covered

 

[buster]

Anyone's guess....

 

[buster]

If there is no VM, and a bit of mPAO, who knows, the SP version may be better.

 

[asker123]

So 5w30 ESP has no advantage over ESP 0w30 whatsoever?

 

[Patman]

So 5w30 ESP has no advantage over ESP 0w30 whatsoever?

It’s likely to hold its viscosity better in engines that tend to beat up on the oil.

 

[buster]

So 5w30 ESP has no advantage over ESP 0w30 whatsoever?

Hard to say.

 

[asker123]

It’s likely to hold its viscosity better in engines that tend to beat up on the oil.

Ok, I would take this as a benefit for me as I am moving from xw20 to xw30 oil in hope that it will provide better film thickness for my cam shaft lobes that are wearing out.

 

[Hermann]

I suspect you’re right. I know the ester formula works so I keep using it. Maybe I’ll give the ESP 5w30 a shot in my next problem vehicle.

Quit buying problem vehicles

 

[facility1]

just for a suggestion, try Pennzoil ultra platinum 5w-30, it's on the lighter side viscosity wise, its also a very good oil .

 

[Carlostrece]

I assume the E stands for Euro? What does the SP stand for? Or does ESP stand for ESPecially good oil?