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New Husqvarna with 20hp intek oil suggestions
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Originally Posted By: boraticus
Originally Posted By: kool_zx3
just reading other posts done by others saying they changed the filter using a motorcraft about every 2nd/3rd oil change and the engine looked perfect following that schedule.
I change the filter every second to third oil change depending on operating conditions. Been doing it forever with no ill effects.
I have nine engines that use oil filters. Eight engines have the spin on type one has the insert type.
My diesel power plant manual says to change oil at 100 hrs., oil filter at 200 hrs. This filter is the same size as those used on my lawn tractors and ATVs. The diesel engine takes 4.6 litres of oil. A lawn tractor takes 1.5 or so. The diesel oil will see more extremes in just about every aspect compared to a lawn tractor gasoline engine. If these oil filters can provide 200 hours of service under those conditions, why wouldn't the filter do the same in a much less demanding environment?
I have said it in the past. We are often misguided by dealers and manufacturers to spend money needlessly.
I don't see oil filters ever selling for $2.50. I pay between $7.00 to $15.00 per. On average, I pay $9.00 with taxes included. So, how much is 9x9 ? $81.00? If I don't change the filter every oil change and do it every third, that's $162.00 in my pocket. My machines have never had a problem from doing this for some 30+ years. Some motorcycle manufacturers also recommend multiple oil changes per filter.
And let's not forget the "green" aspect. In my case, not throwing out eighteen used oil filters needlessly every year is also beneficial.
Not getting the full use of the filter prior to disposing of it is simply wasteful. I see no difference in that than throwing out half a quart of good oil for no reason.
I say go with the multi-oil changes per filter and feel good about it.
what type of oil filter do use on your tractor's, B&S or another type like a motorcraft, wix etc...
Originally Posted By: kool_zx3
just reading other posts done by others saying they changed the filter using a motorcraft about every 2nd/3rd oil change and the engine looked perfect following that schedule.
I change the filter every second to third oil change depending on operating conditions. Been doing it forever with no ill effects.
I have nine engines that use oil filters. Eight engines have the spin on type one has the insert type.
My diesel power plant manual says to change oil at 100 hrs., oil filter at 200 hrs. This filter is the same size as those used on my lawn tractors and ATVs. The diesel engine takes 4.6 litres of oil. A lawn tractor takes 1.5 or so. The diesel oil will see more extremes in just about every aspect compared to a lawn tractor gasoline engine. If these oil filters can provide 200 hours of service under those conditions, why wouldn't the filter do the same in a much less demanding environment?
I have said it in the past. We are often misguided by dealers and manufacturers to spend money needlessly.
I don't see oil filters ever selling for $2.50. I pay between $7.00 to $15.00 per. On average, I pay $9.00 with taxes included. So, how much is 9x9 ? $81.00? If I don't change the filter every oil change and do it every third, that's $162.00 in my pocket. My machines have never had a problem from doing this for some 30+ years. Some motorcycle manufacturers also recommend multiple oil changes per filter.
And let's not forget the "green" aspect. In my case, not throwing out eighteen used oil filters needlessly every year is also beneficial.
Not getting the full use of the filter prior to disposing of it is simply wasteful. I see no difference in that than throwing out half a quart of good oil for no reason.
I say go with the multi-oil changes per filter and feel good about it.
what type of oil filter do use on your tractor's, B&S or another type like a motorcraft, wix etc...
saving money, i can understand that, but not when it comes to the life of an engine. so if it makes sence to change oil and not the filter, correct me if im wrong here but all the dirt is trapped in that FILTER, wich could return to that new oil. changing oil and not filter makes as about as much sence to me as buying a luxury car and putting empire state motor oil in it. and yes boraticus, i buy a quakerstate qs4967 oil filter on a kawasaki engine, i buy them at menards (not on sale or on clearence) for less than $3. and $3 is a very cheap price to pay for peace of mind of not reculating dirt tapped in a filter 2 or 3 oil changes ago
Originally Posted By: kcfx4
i guess a used oil filter is better???
Actually, a used oil filter will filter oil better than a brand new filter because as the paper element gathers particles, it reduces the size of subsequent particles that can pass through.
I had mentioned in an earlier post that my 6 cylinder Valkyrie motorcycle has 8000 mile OCI as per the manual. If the filter can last for at least 8000 miles on that bike, why not three 2500 mile OCIs on another bike that has more frequent oil changes?
i guess a used oil filter is better???
Actually, a used oil filter will filter oil better than a brand new filter because as the paper element gathers particles, it reduces the size of subsequent particles that can pass through.
I had mentioned in an earlier post that my 6 cylinder Valkyrie motorcycle has 8000 mile OCI as per the manual. If the filter can last for at least 8000 miles on that bike, why not three 2500 mile OCIs on another bike that has more frequent oil changes?
Originally Posted By: kool_zx3
Originally Posted By: boraticus
Originally Posted By: kool_zx3
just reading other posts done by others saying they changed the filter using a motorcraft about every 2nd/3rd oil change and the engine looked perfect following that schedule.
I change the filter every second to third oil change depending on operating conditions. Been doing it forever with no ill effects.
I have nine engines that use oil filters. Eight engines have the spin on type one has the insert type.
My diesel power plant manual says to change oil at 100 hrs., oil filter at 200 hrs. This filter is the same size as those used on my lawn tractors and ATVs. The diesel engine takes 4.6 litres of oil. A lawn tractor takes 1.5 or so. The diesel oil will see more extremes in just about every aspect compared to a lawn tractor gasoline engine. If these oil filters can provide 200 hours of service under those conditions, why wouldn't the filter do the same in a much less demanding environment?
I have said it in the past. We are often misguided by dealers and manufacturers to spend money needlessly.
I don't see oil filters ever selling for $2.50. I pay between $7.00 to $15.00 per. On average, I pay $9.00 with taxes included. So, how much is 9x9 ? $81.00? If I don't change the filter every oil change and do it every third, that's $162.00 in my pocket. My machines have never had a problem from doing this for some 30+ years. Some motorcycle manufacturers also recommend multiple oil changes per filter.
And let's not forget the "green" aspect. In my case, not throwing out eighteen used oil filters needlessly every year is also beneficial.
Not getting the full use of the filter prior to disposing of it is simply wasteful. I see no difference in that than throwing out half a quart of good oil for no reason.
I say go with the multi-oil changes per filter and feel good about it.
what type of oil filter do use on your tractor's, B&S or another type like a motorcraft, wix etc...
I buy whatever filters I can find for the best price. Usually Purolator or Fram. I'm not fussy and neither are the engines.
Originally Posted By: boraticus
Originally Posted By: kool_zx3
just reading other posts done by others saying they changed the filter using a motorcraft about every 2nd/3rd oil change and the engine looked perfect following that schedule.
I change the filter every second to third oil change depending on operating conditions. Been doing it forever with no ill effects.
I have nine engines that use oil filters. Eight engines have the spin on type one has the insert type.
My diesel power plant manual says to change oil at 100 hrs., oil filter at 200 hrs. This filter is the same size as those used on my lawn tractors and ATVs. The diesel engine takes 4.6 litres of oil. A lawn tractor takes 1.5 or so. The diesel oil will see more extremes in just about every aspect compared to a lawn tractor gasoline engine. If these oil filters can provide 200 hours of service under those conditions, why wouldn't the filter do the same in a much less demanding environment?
I have said it in the past. We are often misguided by dealers and manufacturers to spend money needlessly.
I don't see oil filters ever selling for $2.50. I pay between $7.00 to $15.00 per. On average, I pay $9.00 with taxes included. So, how much is 9x9 ? $81.00? If I don't change the filter every oil change and do it every third, that's $162.00 in my pocket. My machines have never had a problem from doing this for some 30+ years. Some motorcycle manufacturers also recommend multiple oil changes per filter.
And let's not forget the "green" aspect. In my case, not throwing out eighteen used oil filters needlessly every year is also beneficial.
Not getting the full use of the filter prior to disposing of it is simply wasteful. I see no difference in that than throwing out half a quart of good oil for no reason.
I say go with the multi-oil changes per filter and feel good about it.
what type of oil filter do use on your tractor's, B&S or another type like a motorcraft, wix etc...
I buy whatever filters I can find for the best price. Usually Purolator or Fram. I'm not fussy and neither are the engines.
Originally Posted By: kcfx4
saving money, i can understand that, but not when it comes to the life of an engine. so if it makes sence to change oil and not the filter, correct me if im wrong here but all the dirt is trapped in that FILTER, wich could return to that new oil. changing oil and not filter makes as about as much sence to me as buying a luxury car and putting empire state motor oil in it. and yes boraticus, i buy a quakerstate qs4967 oil filter on a kawasaki engine, i buy them at menards (not on sale or on clearence) for less than $3. and $3 is a very cheap price to pay for peace of mind of not reculating dirt tapped in a filter 2 or 3 oil changes ago
I'm glad you can get filters that cheaply. Don't have such luxuries in this country. Even if I did get them as cheaply, I wouldn't change anything I'm doing now.
As you have said, the filter has captured the contaminants in the oil. That's where they stay. It's not like fresh oil will suddenly cause the release of previously captured particles in the filter.
What you need to understand is that on short period OCIs, the filter is no where utilized to it's potential.
Do as you wish with your own equipment. It's your choice.
However, if people looking for oil/filter information have a chance to carry out perfectly adequate maintenance and save money doing so, they should have the choice to do so.
If you disagree with what I do, that's fine. I've provided more than enough information to explain why fuel filters need not be changed as often as they are.
saving money, i can understand that, but not when it comes to the life of an engine. so if it makes sence to change oil and not the filter, correct me if im wrong here but all the dirt is trapped in that FILTER, wich could return to that new oil. changing oil and not filter makes as about as much sence to me as buying a luxury car and putting empire state motor oil in it. and yes boraticus, i buy a quakerstate qs4967 oil filter on a kawasaki engine, i buy them at menards (not on sale or on clearence) for less than $3. and $3 is a very cheap price to pay for peace of mind of not reculating dirt tapped in a filter 2 or 3 oil changes ago
I'm glad you can get filters that cheaply. Don't have such luxuries in this country. Even if I did get them as cheaply, I wouldn't change anything I'm doing now.
As you have said, the filter has captured the contaminants in the oil. That's where they stay. It's not like fresh oil will suddenly cause the release of previously captured particles in the filter.
What you need to understand is that on short period OCIs, the filter is no where utilized to it's potential.
Do as you wish with your own equipment. It's your choice.
However, if people looking for oil/filter information have a chance to carry out perfectly adequate maintenance and save money doing so, they should have the choice to do so.
If you disagree with what I do, that's fine. I've provided more than enough information to explain why fuel filters need not be changed as often as they are.
i agree borticus, but people on here are paying over $7 per quart of oil, then saying they omit changing the filter, im in no way trying to tell anyone how to maintain anything, but this makes no sence whatsoever to me, im trying to understand why anyone would do so. I recently switched my wifes car to castrol edge wich is expensive, so it only made sence to me to buy a better filtering oil filter, i chose the bosch distance plus filter to compliment my change to the full synthetic. Her car is getting close to 30k miles on it and i would like to get the most out of that car as i possibly can, wear and tear and gas mileage. i chose edge based on reviews (not trying to start an arguement) i run m1 in my truck. i have myself read manuals stating to change the filter every other time, and i have yet to see any proof that would be saving anything other than the cost of the filter, nor making any benefit whatsoever to the engine. the fact is small engines ran for many many years without even using a filter, im not saying reusing a filter would not be okay, but i wouldnt do it. now koolzx3 asked what oil to use etc..so i answered to the best of my ability, and i do have years of commercial lawn equipment sales experience, equipment that wouldnt be comparison to the mower he was reffering to. but regardless what brand mower its on, he stated he has a briggs engine on it, and it requires sae30 oil and it has a filter on it. so i think commonsenece would be to use sae 30 oil and obviously change the filter. i never told him wich brand of oil to use nor did i specify what filter to use, the reason i pointed out specifically what filter i use and the cost was to show him that a filter can be cheap. he obviously isnt small engine savy, but i was trying to answer his question and hope he gets good longevity out of it. and ppl recommending he not change the filter to save a few bucks isnt good advice in my opinior rather or not it works. and in the years i sold ope, i have seen old filters/oil void the engine warranty. this wasnt my decision but the decision of the engine manufacture rep. and im sure if he has issues and they see a filter that is 5x the lenght of the proper filter (mc fl400s) an eyebrow could be raised. if he was asking about a $99 walmart pushmower, i would reccomend accordingly. but he's talking about something he shelled out over a $1000 for.
Originally Posted By: kcfx4
how about ran a johndeere, scag, exmark dealership. there boraticus
No doubt.
I've yet to walk into a dealership of any kind that didn't want to sell me something. Even stuff I didn't need.
That's why we're at odds.
It's an intrinsic characteristic for dealers to want to sell things. That's what they do regardless if it's necessary or not. Selling thousands of oil filters that people don't really need is money in your pocket.
It would be counterproductive for you to say otherwise.
I feel it's my job to give inexperienced people enough information for them to make a choice that will benefit them rather than line a dealer's pockets.
I've laid out facts and figures showing perfectly well that oil filters can be used for much longer periods than what manufacturers and salespeople say. Let them decide which way they want to go.
how about ran a johndeere, scag, exmark dealership. there boraticus
No doubt.
I've yet to walk into a dealership of any kind that didn't want to sell me something. Even stuff I didn't need.
That's why we're at odds.
It's an intrinsic characteristic for dealers to want to sell things. That's what they do regardless if it's necessary or not. Selling thousands of oil filters that people don't really need is money in your pocket.
It would be counterproductive for you to say otherwise.
I feel it's my job to give inexperienced people enough information for them to make a choice that will benefit them rather than line a dealer's pockets.
I've laid out facts and figures showing perfectly well that oil filters can be used for much longer periods than what manufacturers and salespeople say. Let them decide which way they want to go.
youre right maybe they do want to sell you something, maybe a new product rather than a filter. and i never once recommended him buy a $14 oil briggs and stratton oil filter from a dealer, did i? id much rather think i spent a few dollars on filters/oil than cutting time off my equipment. commonsence/not cutting corners alot of the time pays!
Originally Posted By: kcfx4
youre right maybe they do want to sell you something, maybe a new product rather than a filter. and i never once recommended him buy a $14 oil briggs and stratton oil filter from a dealer, did i? id much rather think i spent a few dollars on filters/oil than cutting time off my equipment. commonsence/not cutting corners alot of the time pays!
You haven't proved at all that re-using an oil filter will limit or reduce engine life.
I've provided a number of examples where it's actually recommended that filters be used for more than one oil change. Others have done so as well.
I've got decades of mechanical experience. I own and operate numerous small engines. I take maintenance seriously and don't do things that will compromise the performance nor life of anything I own. I don't let dealerships work on my equipment and never buy anything from a dealer that can be had elsewhere for a fraction of the cost.
As other participant of this forum have stated, this is a place for free and unbiased information. Particularly for inexperienced people looking for mechanical guidance.
It's not a platform for people to push products that people don't need.
Hopefully, people looking for advice can wade through the information provided by proponent from both sides and make decisions that will be best for them and their equipment.
youre right maybe they do want to sell you something, maybe a new product rather than a filter. and i never once recommended him buy a $14 oil briggs and stratton oil filter from a dealer, did i? id much rather think i spent a few dollars on filters/oil than cutting time off my equipment. commonsence/not cutting corners alot of the time pays!
You haven't proved at all that re-using an oil filter will limit or reduce engine life.
I've provided a number of examples where it's actually recommended that filters be used for more than one oil change. Others have done so as well.
I've got decades of mechanical experience. I own and operate numerous small engines. I take maintenance seriously and don't do things that will compromise the performance nor life of anything I own. I don't let dealerships work on my equipment and never buy anything from a dealer that can be had elsewhere for a fraction of the cost.
As other participant of this forum have stated, this is a place for free and unbiased information. Particularly for inexperienced people looking for mechanical guidance.
It's not a platform for people to push products that people don't need.
Hopefully, people looking for advice can wade through the information provided by proponent from both sides and make decisions that will be best for them and their equipment.
im not pushing, furthermore you said the companies try to push things ppl dont need, prior to that you said such and such book said they recommend changing the oil filter every other oil change, wich my friend is quite contradictary. it was me (the big bad dealer guy) who said he can find filters for less than $3, while you borticus basically called me a liar. now based on your extensive cost/corner cutting research, i will contact all filter companies to let them know that theyre wasting their time making filters since our engines all came with one when new, and we can assume based on what you say that a dirty filter out performes a new one. you my friend have no proof, just an "old fashioned" opinion. this guy came for advice, his equipment is new, so he should know recommendations, not a red neck theory. and i will take this a step further, it was i that said ford recommends 7500 oil changes, maybe ford cares more about selling a multi thousand dollar vehicle rather than selling a measely $5 motorcraft filter. and as far as going green by not using filters, gee come on. id say stop using water bottles would do way more good than a handful of filters per year. You have an opinon sir, but not a good one whatsover to ANYTHING under warranty! maybe your grandpa used, used transmission fluid to mix with the gas on his weedeater and it lasted 30+ years, that still would be poor advice even tho grandpa did it so its "proven"
considering I am in canada, there is no cheap briggs oil filters anywhere, I found an el cheapo filter but it was still 10 dollars.... 10 dollars is a little extreme for a dinky filter when the one for my car is 6 for a wix filter.
I'd dare say an engine running for 50 hours or an engine running 8000km's like in my Car, the Oil in the car will take a more extreme beating.... From reading other forums, there is quite a few people using oversized filters on their tractors because they are better made with more effecient filtering media and double the filtering capacity.... An fl400s is meant for automotive use and take a beating day in and day out i am sure it can handle 50 + hours of use on briggs engine. auto engines and oil have come along way with OCI's pushing them further without harm, so 50 hours seems low for a single cylinder, but what do I know.
after reading aan older craftsman manual, it even says change filter once a year or every other oil change.
I'd dare say an engine running for 50 hours or an engine running 8000km's like in my Car, the Oil in the car will take a more extreme beating.... From reading other forums, there is quite a few people using oversized filters on their tractors because they are better made with more effecient filtering media and double the filtering capacity.... An fl400s is meant for automotive use and take a beating day in and day out i am sure it can handle 50 + hours of use on briggs engine. auto engines and oil have come along way with OCI's pushing them further without harm, so 50 hours seems low for a single cylinder, but what do I know.
after reading aan older craftsman manual, it even says change filter once a year or every other oil change.
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if you can find a $6 wix for your car, you can for that mower too if you can read the number, if you cant the short briggs is a 492932s, and if you know so much about small engines, why ask such a silly question. and if that things under warranty and you have issues, youll have issues explaining that filter, i speak from experience, not redneck trial and error. why even change the oil? heck you can save a few more bucks if you just strain it thru your wifes panty-hose into a 5 gallon bucket, and it doesnt even matter if the buckets dirty or not just use it'll work just fine.
first off lowes or sears or walmart are by no means a dealer. and a shade tree wrench turner is just that, shade tree my friend. and im sure he bought it at lowes, and the guy that came closest to knowing how to start it was probably working in plumbing that day.
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