New F150 specs

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Originally Posted By: mlatour
Just out of curiosity I went out to the garage and took down these infos
on the door sticker in case they might be of interest to your discusion here:

on my 2014 F150 XL (the most basic model I could order)
only got the 101A option / towing package added:

specs:

3.7 V6, 6-speed auto, 126" wheel base, single cab, 6.5' box, 3.73 limited slip axle:

GVWR 6540 lbs
GAWR front 3000 lbs, rear 3500 lbs
P235/75R17 108S @ 38 psi

registration says vehicle weight is 2053 kg, so around 4516 lbs I guess.





Upon closer inspection I found a 2nd door sticker with tire infos and this mention:

The combined weight of occupants and cargo should never exceed 1668 lbs.
 
Many of the old Land Rovers had aluminum body parts, somehow there are still vast numbers of them in Africa, even though they would have to take a beating from being from driven off road.

Why would the F-150 be so different?
 
Originally Posted By: supton
Originally Posted By: CT8
Here are the EPA mpgs New Ford trucks .


Interesting. I didn't see a break down by rear gear ratio nor cab size. Not that it should vastly matter. 4wd looses as expected; but the 2.7 is the same mpg as the 3.5 in that setup.


Very interesting.

I suspect the 2.7 would shine in a 2wd regular cab truck, lightly loaded which would be a good run around truck for work.
 
As for Ford using more aluminum, about time! Except for the frame and steer axle, my semi truck is mostly aluminum and fiberglass. The drive axles also are aluminum housing.

As for what the pickup OEM's have really messed up on is suspension. My semi truck, hauling up to 80,000 lb gross, rides on air bags. Not a coil or a leaf spring in site. I am really surprised, considering the pickup OEM's always want to promote the ride on their products, do not go with air suspension systems. The ride is great and regardless of load, the vehicle stays level... read... more stable. I can buy air bags to put up under the back of my pickup to keep it level when hauling or towing heavy, why not have air bags as the primary suspension? They could have load leveling automatically. If my semi truck can stay level automatically whether empty or fully loaded with 23 tons of whatever in the trailer, why can't they do the same for pickups? It would be quite a stretch to convince me the cost would be much, if any, more than the suspensions they are running now. Especially production pricing of components as opposed to after market consumer pricing. Durability would be hardly an issue. I have run the same air bags on commercial heavy trucks to over 1.5 million miles without a failure.
 
They do. The RAM trucks have an available air suspension that does all you list and more, including automatically adjusting ride height for better fuel economy, increasing off road clearance, or lowering for easier entry.

Ed
 
To keep this on topic: Take that F150, and you can shove that start/stop on the new 2.7 where the sun don't shine too.
grin.gif


Ed
 
http://www.autonews.com/article/20140808/RETAIL03/140809807?template=mobile&X-IgnoreUserAgent=1

Why you should cover the payload sticker with something more useful. The article excludes the F150 but if they're doing it with the Super Duties I find it hard to believe they actually have morales when it comes to the F150, especially since it's their number one selling truck. Call me old fashioned, but I still believe in recording my vehicles weight as I normally travel, I.E. tool box with misc. Chains, binders, ratchet straps, tools, fluids, and jumper cables, aux. And main fuel tank full of fuel, and subtract it from my GVWR. That is your true available payload. A payload sticker is very generic and doesn't mean anything until you roll across a set of scales to determine your exact weight.

MLATOUR, thank you for that info, I wonder if this is something they do on the half tons only or possibly something they only recently started, a close friend has a handful of Super Duties the newest being a 10 that I do work on and have never came across a payload sticker on it. I also helped my buddy with his 12 F150 determine his available payload by running across a certified scale and subrtracting from his GVWR. Even though he is within GCWR with his boat he is real close to his rear GAWR as the boat has a lot of tongue weight.
 
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Ram 2500 is also now available with the air suspension (I believe it is rear only, but could be mistaken.) The 3500 will be available In the near future with air ride. Ram has a history of implementing new technology in the half ton market before including it in the HD models.
 
Originally Posted By: edhackett
They do. The RAM trucks have an available air suspension that does all you list and more, including automatically adjusting ride height for better fuel economy, increasing off road clearance, or lowering for easier entry.

Ed


They'll be using a clone of the air suspension from the Grand Cherokee fitted into the Ram 1500 PU. I'm not sure about the other models. That system is a nice feature available in certain GC models.
 
Originally Posted By: edhackett
They do. The RAM trucks have an available air suspension that does all you list and more, including automatically adjusting ride height for better fuel economy, increasing off road clearance, or lowering for easier entry.


Good point. We had a loaded Laramie 1500 for two days with this feature. It is really amazing, it even works from the key fob!

While it was great fun and rode extremely well it was a feature that I did not want, plus we really like the look of our Sport model with the high rise hood and the Ram boxes, there's a lot less chrome on this truck...
 
Originally Posted By: hattaresguy


Cause its not a diesel which is what we are talking about.



After carefully reviewing this thread we might have a few mentions of a diesel but the conversation would appear to be more about a certain F150 that seems to NOT be diesel?

How would you like this to be directed, sir?
 
Originally Posted By: jrmason

Please take a picture of your door sticker where it shows payload ratings. This would be a first. I've only ever seen GVWR, and front and rear GAWR on any door sticker. There are too many variations with all the different trim packages and cab/bed configurations and drivetrain options to post specific pay load ratings for each individual truck.


This one isn't mine - too lazy to go outside right now, but the sticker is the same (and I think the weights are the same):

http://www.f150online.com/forums/members...act-sticker.jpg

It also has the usual Front/Rear GAWR weights and the GVWR weight sticker.

All are required by law now on, I think, 2003+ vehicles.

It's actually quite easy for them to do - they know all the weights of the options and the computer simply adds them up, does the math and prints the sticker, same as the other sticker. You can do it too - search out the body builder's guide for your manufacturer and they will all be listed.
 
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Originally Posted By: edhackett
To keep this on topic: Take that F150, and you can shove that start/stop on the new 2.7 where the sun don't shine too.
grin.gif


Ed
Off topic,Ram offers the Start stop option an their eco 6 cyl gas engine.
 
Yes, they do, but it is one one model designed specifically for fuel economy. If that's what you want you can have it. If not, the 3.6 in the other trucks does not have it. With the Ford, if you want the 2.7 EcoBoost, you don't have a choice.

Ed
 
On the Ram, it is my understanding the stop start can be disabled. I'm guessing Ford has a similar over ride.
 
Originally Posted By: jrmason
On the Ram, it is my understanding the stop start can be disabled. I'm guessing Ford has a similar over ride.


Is the stop start used on only their gas engines, or does the 3.0L VM diesel use it to?
 
Originally Posted By: itguy08
Originally Posted By: jrmason

Please take a picture of your door sticker where it shows payload ratings. This would be a first. I've only ever seen GVWR, and front and rear GAWR on any door sticker. There are too many variations with all the different trim packages and cab/bed configurations and drivetrain options to post specific pay load ratings for each individual truck.


This one isn't mine - too lazy to go outside right now, but the sticker is the same (and I think the weights are the same):

http://www.f150online.com/forums/members...act-sticker.jpg

It also has the usual Front/Rear GAWR weights and the GVWR weight sticker.

All are required by law now on, I think, 2003+ vehicles.

It's actually quite easy for them to do - they know all the weights of the options and the computer simply adds them up, does the math and prints the sticker, same as the other sticker. You can do it too - search out the body builder's guide for your manufacturer and they will all be listed.


Is there an additional yellow sticker? Mine has a sticker that says something to the effect of "due to options GVWR is reduced by ___" and in my case it's 3kg. No idea what options did that (I'm sure the Line-X reduced it by even more). But that could be one way to "weasel" out of that, if Ford was truly stripping trucks down, and to fix it. Same GVWR but then a little sticker that indicates payload was reduced by 300lb by "options".
 
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