New F150 specs

[jrmason]

That's why you really can't go by the posted payload Sticker. It's a gray number, and the GVWR is the number that Should be the only posted number and will never change. In the link I posted above, Ford and GM admitted to stripping their models of features that in my opinion are mandatory To boost their published numbers. Ford looks better on paper yet Ram won the three way shoot out based on driver feedback. That alone speaks volumes on how much you should pay attention to published payload numbers. The only way to know your true payload is to load your vehicle up just the way you would normally travel with all occupants and cargo and weigh your truck on a scale. I bet a lot of people would be surprised how much is added to the base weight of a vehicle, which is why I think any heavy towing with a half ton is unrealistic whether the numbers match up or not.

Are you sure your sticker says GVWR is reduced by X amount due to options, or is it available pay load That is reduced?

 

[Nate1979]

Originally Posted By: jrmason
http://www.autonews.com/article/20140808/RETAIL03/140809807?template=mobile&X-IgnoreUserAgent=1

Why you should cover the payload sticker with something more useful. The article excludes the F150 but if they're doing it with the Super Duties I find it hard to believe they actually have morales when it comes to the F150, especially since it's their number one selling truck. Call me old fashioned, but I still believe in recording my vehicles weight as I normally travel, I.E. tool box with misc. Chains, binders, ratchet straps, tools, fluids, and jumper cables, aux. And main fuel tank full of fuel, and subtract it from my GVWR. That is your true available payload. A payload sticker is very generic and doesn't mean anything until you roll across a set of scales to determine your exact weight.

MLATOUR, thank you for that info, I wonder if this is something they do on the half tons only or possibly something they only recently started, a close friend has a handful of Super Duties the newest being a 10 that I do work on and have never came across a payload sticker on it. I also helped my buddy with his 12 F150 determine his available payload by running across a certified scale and subrtracting from his GVWR. Even though he is within GCWR with his boat he is real close to his rear GAWR as the boat has a lot of tongue weight.


The article is referring to the fact that the online published maximum payloads are for comparison purpose only and were basically maximums. However, to get these maximums the manufacturers were stripping vehicles, like taking out spare tires or rear bumpers to get these values. This was to inflate the values to make the comparison to others more favorable. This is not exactly related to the sticker on your actual vehicle. That payload value is for your specific model as leaving the factory and is supposed to be very accurate - it is not for a stripped version of your vehicle. However, the sticker could still be too high if the dealer added additional options or you yourself add options that did not come from the factory.

My payload sticker is very close to the payload of my specific truck however I have adding things, like a blanket or spray in bedliner that has reduced my payload a little.

 

[edhackett]

Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: jrmason
On the Ram, it is my understanding the stop start can be disabled. I'm guessing Ford has a similar over ride.


Is the stop start used on only their gas engines, or does the 3.0L VM diesel use it to?


Only on the 3.6 Pentastar used in the "HFE" model RAM 1500. The VM is thankfully free of such annoyance. That would have been a deal breaker for me. Oops I think I just spilled the beans.

Yes, the start/stop is disabled in the Ford when in 4wd and when towing, but you can not disable it at will.

Ed

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: edhackett
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: jrmason
On the Ram, it is my understanding the stop start can be disabled. I'm guessing Ford has a similar over ride.


Is the stop start used on only their gas engines, or does the 3.0L VM diesel use it to?


Only on the 3.6 Pentastar used in the "HFE" model RAM 1500. The VM is thankfully free of such annoyance. That would have been a deal breaker for me. Oops I think I just spilled the beans.

Yes, the start/stop is disabled in the Ford when in 4wd and when towing, but you can not disable it at will.

Ed


I'm with you Ed. It would have be a deal breaker for me too!

Glad you said it first. I'm thinking that tech in a turbo diesel would be a formula for disaster. I better hide again

 

[CT8]

Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: edhackett
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: jrmason
On the Ram, it is my understanding the stop start can be disabled. I'm guessing Ford has a similar over ride.


Is the stop start used on only their gas engines, or does the 3.0L VM diesel use it to?


Only on the 3.6 Pentastar used in the "HFE" model RAM 1500. The VM is thankfully free of such annoyance. That would have been a deal breaker for me. Oops I think I just spilled the beans.

Yes, the start/stop is disabled in the Ford when in 4wd and when towing, but you can not disable it at will.

Ed


I'm with you Ed. It would have be a deal breaker for me too!

Glad you said it first. I'm thinking that tech in a turbo diesel would be a formula for disaster. I better hide again

That is suckyabout the start stop feature. Yes a deal breaker. I was looking into a new vehicle and would never buy a first year. I looked into the ram 1500 with the Hemi because its a push rod engine not that it would be a deal breaker of maker just a preference... I haven't dug into the Ford offerings other than a quick overview.

 

[itguy08]

Originally Posted By: supton

Is there an additional yellow sticker? Mine has a sticker that says something to the effect of "due to options GVWR is reduced by ___" and in my case it's 3kg. No idea what options did that (I'm sure the Line-X reduced it by even more). But that could be one way to "weasel" out of that, if Ford was truly stripping trucks down, and to fix it. Same GVWR but then a little sticker that indicates payload was reduced by 300lb by "options".


No additional sticker on mine - these are the only 2 on the door jamb or anywhere on the door for that matter.

For those that don't believe me, note that it's keyed to the VIN and they definitely know what's in the truck when it rolled off the line - mine is a Lariat with Max Tow, leather, and no sunroof. That # is very close to what Ford says it should be in the brochure. The only thing I've added is LineX and a Tonneau cover. So it's not exact but good enough for normal use.

If you do the math, it comes out very close to the 11,300 lbs. Ford says I can tow.

Since about 2003 (thanks Firestone), these stickers are required on all new vehicles and are quite accurate as the trucks leave the factory. They have to be by law, no gray area. I'd feel confident that my truck can carry 1820lbs - my fat butt - tonneau cover - LineX. Now what we add to our trucks needs to be taken into account but that's the same for everyone.

 

[edhackett]

Originally Posted By: edhackett


Yes, the start/stop is disabled in the Ford when in 4wd and when towing, but you can not disable it at will.

Ed


This is not correct. I was questioning my sources on this in view of it being overridable in the RAM and went straight to the F150 owner's manual I found on line. You can disable the start/stop for the current ignition cycle.

Ed

 

[SteveSRT8]

^^^yes and the next time you start it you must disable it again...

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
^^^yes and the next time you start it you must disable it again...


I'm a little confused. Can it be disabled in 2WD? Or are you able to disable it only in 4WD? Thanks-

 

[edhackett]

Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
^^^yes and the next time you start it you must disable it again...


I'm a little confused. Can it be disabled in 2WD? Or are you able to disable it only in 4WD? Thanks-


You can disable it in 2WD. There is a button to turn it off. It has to be pushed every time you start the car if you want it off. It is automatically disabled when 4WD is engaged or it senses a trailer attached.

That is my take on its operation based on popular press and the manual. It's still not a feature that I would want on a vehicle, but a least it appears that you have adequate control over it.

Ed

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: edhackett
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
^^^yes and the next time you start it you must disable it again...


I'm a little confused. Can it be disabled in 2WD? Or are you able to disable it only in 4WD? Thanks-


You can disable it in 2WD. There is a button to turn it off. It has to be pushed every time you start the car if you want it off. It is automatically disabled when 4WD is engaged or it senses a trailer attached.

That is my take on its operation based on popular press and the manual. It's still not a feature that I would want on a vehicle, but a least it appears that you have adequate control over it.

Ed


Thanks for the info. It's not something I'd want either, but it looks like something that we'll be forced into at some point. It sucks, but it would suck a whole lot more if you couldn't disable it.

 

[Michael_P]

This thread has turned into a "my truck brand is better than your truck brand" conversation among some loyalists. This has resulted in some misinformation and jumping to conclusions. Though I did hear from my friends cousins dogs', veterinarians husbands brother that all manufacturers are using 0W10 motor oil thinned out with kerosene to maximize their mileage numbers on their test vehicles.
I also know this person who had an all aluminum thingamajig that he left out in the rain and woke up the next morning to find a pile of aluminum oxide powder the next morning.

 

[jrmason]

I understand the intentions of the sticker, my point is this (as an example, and there could be many different scenarios). If I am carrying 3 other family members + cargo in the rear, plus hauling a travel trailer, I will be clueless how much "payload" I have and whether or not I am over my ratings. I would still need to run myself across a scale to see if I am within my GVWR and GCWR to establish a baseline. Unless you happen to know the exact weights of every body in the truck, all your cargo, tongue weight etc. payload rating doesn't mean much. GVWR is a solid number and will never change, how much available payload one has can vary greatly.

 

[zzyzzx]

Originally Posted By: Boomer
And Ford just announced that these trucks with all the aluminum are just rated to get a measly 2 mpg more than their older steel counterparts.


Then you missed some important points here.
On a pickup truck that sized, 2MPG is a big difference. On my Escort MPG is less of a difference. Also, when you consider the impact of +2 MPG on a vehicle that sells with the typical Ford truck sales volume, it really does add up.

 

[CT8]

All things equal I would choose the 2mpg better . Although the Ram pick up yes this is off topic seems the better choice today as I will not buy a new model vehicle . I'll let the other people buy a truck to work out the bugs for me.

 

[TiredTrucker]

True, getting a couple more mpg is always a good thing, regardless of how the OEM got the vehicle there. But pickup mpg's, diesel or gas, is downright disgusting. Recent testing of some heavy commercial semi trucks, loaded to around 70,000 lbs gross, are finally busting the ceiling of 10 mpg. The lighter pickups, especially something made of aluminum, should be easily busting 30 mpg any day of the week. I know one semi truck owner, that Freightliner got ahold of him and had him run a test of a new Cascadia EVO semi truck from California to N. Carolina, grossing 72,000 lb, and he busted the 10 mpg ceiling for the entire trip. You can't even get a 3/4 ton pickup with a 5th wheel camper to hardly bust 20 mpg on a trip, and that combination is barely 1/4 the weight to the semi truck loaded. The pickup, fully loaded to max GCVR should be getting over double the mpg of the semi truck at the worse. At least 3 times better mpg than the semi on a normal day. Instead, they can hardly get out of the teen's for mpg. That is criminal.

 

[jrmason]

If I could average 20mpg with my empty 5th wheel hooked I'd be a happy camper. It's more like 15ish and drops considerably from there depending on load and wind resistance (which is a pick ups #1 killer of fuel economy). Class 8 trailers are generally streamlined with the tractor breaking the wind, strap something to the back that resembles a parachute at close to GCWR and you will be well short of the mileage you may be capable of with a box trailer. Most anything a pick up hauls is taller and wider so not only is it fighting wind resistance from itself it's also breaking the plane of wwhatever's behind it. Another killer is the softer tires on pickups once your nearing max GCWR, OEMs put on a tire that will ride the best it can empty while still exceeding the vehicles GVWR. Install a set of 19.5s on an HD pickup and even though you are increasing your unsprung weight at each corner its not enough to offset the greatly reduced rolling resistance and a substantial increase in towing mpg is often the result, along with a set of tires that lasts longer than 40-50k miles.
The other thing holding pick ups back from the efficiency and reliability of the big rigs is price. If any of the big 3 Built a truck that was far superior and lasted substantially longer than the other two, it would most likely fail as the vast majority of people will buy the cheapest truck they can that fits their needs. I would buy one, but I'm sure I'm in the minority so I continue to drive my 16 year old truck and improve the weaknesses every time a component wears out or fails.

 

[MalfunctionProne]

Originally Posted By: CT8
What exactly is military grade aluminum. Semi trucks have had aluminum bodies for years .It is really not new technology.


An amazing marketing term that makes me need to buy a new truck, since I am now asking what the truck I have now is made out of.

 

[CT8]

Originally Posted By: MalfunctionProne
Originally Posted By: CT8
What exactly is military grade aluminum. Semi trucks have had aluminum bodies for years .It is really not new technology.


An amazing marketing term that makes me need to buy a new truck, since I am now asking what the truck I have now is made out of.
What ever military grade aluminum is your truck is not. I have never heard of military grade aluminum. Prolly Ford is a shukin ana jiven the consumers.

 

[SteveSRT8]

A side note: I have a client who works for Conway trucking. They own 10,000 tractors and claim that every 1/10th MPG they pick up annually nets them 4 million dollars on the bottom line!

And comparing a light pick up to a semi is a bit of a stretch, eh? Good luck with that one...