Trying to compare specifications between New Mobil Super 5000 SN 5W 20 , PYB SN 5W 20 and QSAD SN 5W 20 . Of the three I can only find specifications for the new Mobil Super 5000 SN . Does anybody know the specifications for the PYB and QSAD dino oils ?
New Dino Oil Specifications ?
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PENNZOIL® MOTOR OIL 5W-20 5W-30 10W-30 10W-40
SAE Viscosity Grade SAE J300 5W-20 5W-30 10W-30 10W-40
API Service Category SN SN SN SN
ILSAC GF-5 GF-5 GF-5
Gravity, °API ASTM D-287 32.7 31.4 30.3 30.2
Specific Gravity @
15.6°C(60°F) ASTM D-287 0.862 0.863 0.872 0.875
Flash Point, °C ASTM D-93 229 216 221 204
Pour Point, °C ASTM D-97 -39 -39 -30 -30
Color ASTM D-1500 3.0 3.0 3.0 3.0
Viscosity
@ 40°C, cSt ASTM D-445 47.3 63.9 69.7 96.9
@ 100°C, cSt ASTM D-445 8.4 10.5 10.53 14.0
Viscosity Index ASTM D-2270 150 158 135 147
CCS Viscosity, cP (°C) ASTM D-5293 5,100 (-30) 5,800 (-30) 6,170 (-25) 6,280 (-25)
MRV Viscosity, cP (°C) ASTM D-4684 12,400 (-35) 15,900 (-35) 15,400 (-30) 16,700 (-30)
HT/HS Viscosity, cP ASTM D-4683 2.6 3.0 3.1 3.7
Noack volatility, % ASTM D-5800 14.7 14.5 13.7 14.3
These characteristics are typical of current production. While future production will conform to Pennzoil's specification, variations in these
SAE Viscosity Grade SAE J300 5W-20 5W-30 10W-30 10W-40
API Service Category SN SN SN SN
ILSAC GF-5 GF-5 GF-5
Gravity, °API ASTM D-287 32.7 31.4 30.3 30.2
Specific Gravity @
15.6°C(60°F) ASTM D-287 0.862 0.863 0.872 0.875
Flash Point, °C ASTM D-93 229 216 221 204
Pour Point, °C ASTM D-97 -39 -39 -30 -30
Color ASTM D-1500 3.0 3.0 3.0 3.0
Viscosity
@ 40°C, cSt ASTM D-445 47.3 63.9 69.7 96.9
@ 100°C, cSt ASTM D-445 8.4 10.5 10.53 14.0
Viscosity Index ASTM D-2270 150 158 135 147
CCS Viscosity, cP (°C) ASTM D-5293 5,100 (-30) 5,800 (-30) 6,170 (-25) 6,280 (-25)
MRV Viscosity, cP (°C) ASTM D-4684 12,400 (-35) 15,900 (-35) 15,400 (-30) 16,700 (-30)
HT/HS Viscosity, cP ASTM D-4683 2.6 3.0 3.1 3.7
Noack volatility, % ASTM D-5800 14.7 14.5 13.7 14.3
These characteristics are typical of current production. While future production will conform to Pennzoil's specification, variations in these
Quaker State Advanced Durability SAE 5W-20 Motor Oil
SAE Grade 5W-20 5W-30 10W-30 10W-40 20W-50 30 40
API Service SN SN SN SN SN SN SN
ILSAC Service GF-5 GF-5 GF-5
Gravity, °API ASTM D-287 32.9 32.3 32.4 30.4 29.2 28.5 28.3
Viscosity
@ 40 °C, cSt ASTM D-445 47.7 63.8 70.3 96.0 161.4 98 150.6
@ 100 °C, cSt ASTM D-445 8.2 10.5 10.5 13.9 17.9 11.5 14.5
Viscosity Index ASTM D-2270 148 143 136 148 122 105 106
Flash Point, °C ASTM D-93 229 218 210 200 204 232 223
Pour Point, °C ASTM D-97 -36 -30 -30 -33 -29 -30 -27
CCS Viscosity, cP
(°C) ASTM D-5293
4,790 (-
30)
6,100 (-
30)
6,200 (-
25)
6,040 (-25) 6,660 (-15) - -
MRV viscosity, cP
(°C)
ASTM D-4684 12,100 (-
35)
19,100 (-
35)
14,780 (-
30)
18,000 (-
30)
21500 (-20) - -
HT/HS viscosity,
cP
ASTM D-4683 2.6 3.1 3.2 3.7 4.8 - -
Noack volatility,
%
ASTM D-5800 14.1 14.3 14.0 14.3 4.9 <15 <15
SAE Grade 5W-20 5W-30 10W-30 10W-40 20W-50 30 40
API Service SN SN SN SN SN SN SN
ILSAC Service GF-5 GF-5 GF-5
Gravity, °API ASTM D-287 32.9 32.3 32.4 30.4 29.2 28.5 28.3
Viscosity
@ 40 °C, cSt ASTM D-445 47.7 63.8 70.3 96.0 161.4 98 150.6
@ 100 °C, cSt ASTM D-445 8.2 10.5 10.5 13.9 17.9 11.5 14.5
Viscosity Index ASTM D-2270 148 143 136 148 122 105 106
Flash Point, °C ASTM D-93 229 218 210 200 204 232 223
Pour Point, °C ASTM D-97 -36 -30 -30 -33 -29 -30 -27
CCS Viscosity, cP
(°C) ASTM D-5293
4,790 (-
30)
6,100 (-
30)
6,200 (-
25)
6,040 (-25) 6,660 (-15) - -
MRV viscosity, cP
(°C)
ASTM D-4684 12,100 (-
35)
19,100 (-
35)
14,780 (-
30)
18,000 (-
30)
21500 (-20) - -
HT/HS viscosity,
cP
ASTM D-4683 2.6 3.1 3.2 3.7 4.8 - -
Noack volatility,
%
ASTM D-5800 14.1 14.3 14.0 14.3 4.9 <15 <15
Dont forget to add the "Gold Standard" of 5w20, C-P's MCSS, into the mix.
Yes Motorcraft. The new SN/ILSAC GF-5 are out. I know, I just got some
How does the Shell stuff compare to the Mobil spec wise?
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The SN/GF5 oils should all be about the same. Dino groups and syn groups.
Arcographite : Based on the info I could find from Mobil , I have the ranking as follows :
1a. Mobil Super 5000 5W 20
1b. PYB 5W 20
3. Quaker State Advanced Durability
* The wild card is the new MC Syn Blend 5W 20 - do you have the specs on the new SN rated ? ... Love the MC Syn Blend 5W 20 SM rated - I hope the SN version can walk the walk !
1a. Mobil Super 5000 5W 20
1b. PYB 5W 20
3. Quaker State Advanced Durability
* The wild card is the new MC Syn Blend 5W 20 - do you have the specs on the new SN rated ? ... Love the MC Syn Blend 5W 20 SM rated - I hope the SN version can walk the walk !
http://www.conocophillipslubricants.com/...20TDS%20Web.pdf
Why did you rank Mobil super 1a? What spec did you weigh most heavily?
Why did you rank Mobil super 1a? What spec did you weigh most heavily?
ARCOgraphite - Both are pretty close . The VI of Mobil Super 5000 was 152 for 5W 20 (better) , the Flash Point was 446 F. The CST @ 100 degrees C. was a tie (8.4) The PYB pour point was better (-39 F. versus -33 F) . No HT / HS numbers for the Mobil Super 5000 I could find . The only thing certain was the Quaker State Advanced Duribility for 5W 20 came in a little lower - still very good most likely . * What do you think over all about the new MC Syn Blend 5W 20 SN rated ? For grins I would like to see a lower tier full synthetic such as QSUD specs. to see what it's numbers look like(couldn't find QSUD specs on QS web site) ...
QUAKER STATE® ULTIMATE DURABILITY MOTOR OIL.
TEST METHOD TYPICAL RESULTS
Viscosity Grade. 0W-20 5W-20 5W-30 5W-50 10W-30
API Service SN SN SN SN SN
ILSAC GF-5 GF-5 GF-5 - GF-5
ACEA A1-02 A1-02 A5-02 A3-02 A5-02*
Gravity, °API ASTM D-287 34.8 35.1 34.8 34.4 33.9
Specific Gravity @
60°F(15.6°C)
ASTM D-287 0.851 0.849 0.851 0.853 0.854
Viscosity @ 40°C, cSt ASTM D-445 42.6 46.51 58.5 109.5 63.9
Viscosity @100°C,cSt ASTM D-445 8.39 8.68 10.53 18.7 10.8
Viscosity Index ASTM D-2270 175 168 172 192 157
Flash Point, °F ASTM D-93 435 440 440 440 440
Pour Point, °C ASTM D-97 -48 -45 -45 -42 -45
CCS Viscosity, cP (°C) ASTM D-5293 4840(-35) 3,480 (-30) 3,980 (-30) 4,600 (-30) 3650 (-25)
MRV Viscosity, cP
(°C)
ASTM D-4684 17,500 (-40) 9,600 (-35) 12,800 (-35) 23,300 (-35) 9400 (-30)
HT/HS Viscosity, cP
(°C)
ASTM D-4683 2.6 2.64 3.0 4.1 3.1
Noack Volatility, % ASTM D-5800 14 13.4 12.3 14.2 11.1
TEST METHOD TYPICAL RESULTS
Viscosity Grade. 0W-20 5W-20 5W-30 5W-50 10W-30
API Service SN SN SN SN SN
ILSAC GF-5 GF-5 GF-5 - GF-5
ACEA A1-02 A1-02 A5-02 A3-02 A5-02*
Gravity, °API ASTM D-287 34.8 35.1 34.8 34.4 33.9
Specific Gravity @
60°F(15.6°C)
ASTM D-287 0.851 0.849 0.851 0.853 0.854
Viscosity @ 40°C, cSt ASTM D-445 42.6 46.51 58.5 109.5 63.9
Viscosity @100°C,cSt ASTM D-445 8.39 8.68 10.53 18.7 10.8
Viscosity Index ASTM D-2270 175 168 172 192 157
Flash Point, °F ASTM D-93 435 440 440 440 440
Pour Point, °C ASTM D-97 -48 -45 -45 -42 -45
CCS Viscosity, cP (°C) ASTM D-5293 4840(-35) 3,480 (-30) 3,980 (-30) 4,600 (-30) 3650 (-25)
MRV Viscosity, cP
(°C)
ASTM D-4684 17,500 (-40) 9,600 (-35) 12,800 (-35) 23,300 (-35) 9400 (-30)
HT/HS Viscosity, cP
(°C)
ASTM D-4683 2.6 2.64 3.0 4.1 3.1
Noack Volatility, % ASTM D-5800 14 13.4 12.3 14.2 11.1
I usually look for an oil with some moly in it to use on my Toyota since it doesnt have a roller cam, also I think the moly is beneficial to cyl wear and low rpm "luggability". I dont use 20 grade oils since my cars are not spec'd for them - I added a 1/2 qt of 20 this winter to get the hot viscosity where it need s to be during my commute and ease cold warmup. The subaru likes a thicker 30 grade in the summer so thats mainly what I look for there unless i see a consumption issue with a particular brand - then I will pass on that next time.
Thanks for the information ARCOgraphite , my new dino ranking is as follows :
1a. MC Syn Blend SN 5W20
1b. PYB SN 5W 20
2. Mobil Super 5000 SN 5W 20
3. QS Advanced Durability SN 5W 20
* The QSUD synthetic at $19.00 per 5 quart jug at WM puts it close enough in price to the above three for serious consideration .
1a. MC Syn Blend SN 5W20
1b. PYB SN 5W 20
2. Mobil Super 5000 SN 5W 20
3. QS Advanced Durability SN 5W 20
* The QSUD synthetic at $19.00 per 5 quart jug at WM puts it close enough in price to the above three for serious consideration .
As a result of your personal analysis of MC, PYB, Mobil Super and QSAD...all in 5w20, how much synthetic is now in these conventional oils to help them meet the SN, GF-5 classification?
Thanks.
Thanks.
Mr ARCOgraphite ,you are the best. This is why I visit the site to get info like this. Thanks for your effort.
Not to confuse the issue, but Durablend is a sleeper. Has a vi of 161 in the 5-20 and is Dexos approved?? I really do not know about that, wording leaves something missing. Either way at $19 you get 5 qts and usually a Pure One. The few uoa show low wear #. Just something to ponder.
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