Trying to compare specifications between New Mobil Super 5000 SN 5w20 , Pennzoil Conventional SN 5w20 and Quaker State Advanced Durability SN 5w20 . Of the three I can only find specifications for the new Mobil Super 5000 SN . Does anybody know the specifications for the Pennzoil Conventional and Quaker State Advanced Durability conventional oils ?
New Dino Oil Specifications ?
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PENNZOIL® MOTOR OIL 5W-20 5w30 10w30 10W-40
SAE Viscosity Grade SAE J300 5W-20 5w30 10w30 10W-40
API Service Category SN SN SN SN
ILSAC GF-5 GF-5 GF-5
Gravity, °API ASTM D-287 32.7 31.4 30.3 30.2
Specific Gravity @
15.6°C(60°F) ASTM D-287 0.862 0.863 0.872 0.875
Flash Point, °C ASTM D-93 229 216 221 204
Pour Point, °C ASTM D-97 -39 -39 -30 -30
Color ASTM D-1500 3.0 3.0 3.0 3.0
Viscosity
@ 40°C, cSt ASTM D-445 47.3 63.9 69.7 96.9
@ 100°C, cSt ASTM D-445 8.4 10.5 10.53 14.0
Viscosity Index ASTM D-2270 150 158 135 147
CCS Viscosity, cP (°C) ASTM D-5293 5,100 (-30) 5,800 (-30) 6,170 (-25) 6,280 (-25)
MRV Viscosity, cP (°C) ASTM D-4684 12,400 (-35) 15,900 (-35) 15,400 (-30) 16,700 (-30)
HT/HS Viscosity, cP ASTM D-4683 2.6 3.0 3.1 3.7
Noack volatility, % ASTM D-5800 14.7 14.5 13.7 14.3
These characteristics are typical of current production. While future production will conform to Pennzoil's specification, variations in these
SAE Viscosity Grade SAE J300 5W-20 5w30 10w30 10W-40
API Service Category SN SN SN SN
ILSAC GF-5 GF-5 GF-5
Gravity, °API ASTM D-287 32.7 31.4 30.3 30.2
Specific Gravity @
15.6°C(60°F) ASTM D-287 0.862 0.863 0.872 0.875
Flash Point, °C ASTM D-93 229 216 221 204
Pour Point, °C ASTM D-97 -39 -39 -30 -30
Color ASTM D-1500 3.0 3.0 3.0 3.0
Viscosity
@ 40°C, cSt ASTM D-445 47.3 63.9 69.7 96.9
@ 100°C, cSt ASTM D-445 8.4 10.5 10.53 14.0
Viscosity Index ASTM D-2270 150 158 135 147
CCS Viscosity, cP (°C) ASTM D-5293 5,100 (-30) 5,800 (-30) 6,170 (-25) 6,280 (-25)
MRV Viscosity, cP (°C) ASTM D-4684 12,400 (-35) 15,900 (-35) 15,400 (-30) 16,700 (-30)
HT/HS Viscosity, cP ASTM D-4683 2.6 3.0 3.1 3.7
Noack volatility, % ASTM D-5800 14.7 14.5 13.7 14.3
These characteristics are typical of current production. While future production will conform to Pennzoil's specification, variations in these
Quaker State Advanced Durability SAE 5W-20 Motor Oil
SAE Grade 5W-20 5w30 10w30 10W-40 20W-50 30 40
API Service SN SN SN SN SN SN SN
ILSAC Service GF-5 GF-5 GF-5
Gravity, °API ASTM D-287 32.9 32.3 32.4 30.4 29.2 28.5 28.3
Viscosity
@ 40 °C, cSt ASTM D-445 47.7 63.8 70.3 96.0 161.4 98 150.6
@ 100 °C, cSt ASTM D-445 8.2 10.5 10.5 13.9 17.9 11.5 14.5
Viscosity Index ASTM D-2270 148 143 136 148 122 105 106
Flash Point, °C ASTM D-93 229 218 210 200 204 232 223
Pour Point, °C ASTM D-97 -36 -30 -30 -33 -29 -30 -27
CCS Viscosity, cP
(°C) ASTM D-5293
4,790 (-
30)
6,100 (-
30)
6,200 (-
25)
6,040 (-25) 6,660 (-15) - -
MRV viscosity, cP
(°C)
ASTM D-4684 12,100 (-
35)
19,100 (-
35)
14,780 (-
30)
18,000 (-
30)
21500 (-20) - -
HT/HS viscosity,
cP
ASTM D-4683 2.6 3.1 3.2 3.7 4.8 - -
Noack volatility,
%
ASTM D-5800 14.1 14.3 14.0 14.3 4.9 <15 <15
SAE Grade 5W-20 5w30 10w30 10W-40 20W-50 30 40
API Service SN SN SN SN SN SN SN
ILSAC Service GF-5 GF-5 GF-5
Gravity, °API ASTM D-287 32.9 32.3 32.4 30.4 29.2 28.5 28.3
Viscosity
@ 40 °C, cSt ASTM D-445 47.7 63.8 70.3 96.0 161.4 98 150.6
@ 100 °C, cSt ASTM D-445 8.2 10.5 10.5 13.9 17.9 11.5 14.5
Viscosity Index ASTM D-2270 148 143 136 148 122 105 106
Flash Point, °C ASTM D-93 229 218 210 200 204 232 223
Pour Point, °C ASTM D-97 -36 -30 -30 -33 -29 -30 -27
CCS Viscosity, cP
(°C) ASTM D-5293
4,790 (-
30)
6,100 (-
30)
6,200 (-
25)
6,040 (-25) 6,660 (-15) - -
MRV viscosity, cP
(°C)
ASTM D-4684 12,100 (-
35)
19,100 (-
35)
14,780 (-
30)
18,000 (-
30)
21500 (-20) - -
HT/HS viscosity,
cP
ASTM D-4683 2.6 3.1 3.2 3.7 4.8 - -
Noack volatility,
%
ASTM D-5800 14.1 14.3 14.0 14.3 4.9 <15 <15
Dont forget to add the "Gold Standard" of 5w20, C-P's MCSS, into the mix.
Yes Motorcraft. The new SN/ILSAC GF-5 are out. I know, I just got some
How does the Shell stuff compare to the Mobil spec wise?
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The SN/GF5 oils should all be about the same. Dino groups and syn groups.
Arcographite : Based on the info I could find from Mobil , I have the ranking as follows :
1a. Mobil Super 5000 5w20
1b. Pennzoil Conventional 5w20
3. Quaker State Advanced Durability
* The wild card is the new Motorcraft Synthetic Blend 5w20 - do you have the specs on the new SN rated ? ... Love the Motorcraft Synthetic Blend 5w20 SM rated - I hope the SN version can walk the walk !
1a. Mobil Super 5000 5w20
1b. Pennzoil Conventional 5w20
3. Quaker State Advanced Durability
* The wild card is the new Motorcraft Synthetic Blend 5w20 - do you have the specs on the new SN rated ? ... Love the Motorcraft Synthetic Blend 5w20 SM rated - I hope the SN version can walk the walk !
http://www.conocophillipslubricants.com/...20TDS%20Web.pdf
Why did you rank Mobil super 1a? What spec did you weigh most heavily?
Why did you rank Mobil super 1a? What spec did you weigh most heavily?
ARCOgraphite - Both are pretty close . The VI of Mobil Super 5000 was 152 for 5w20 (better) , the Flash Point was 446 F. The CST @ 100 degrees C. was a tie (8.4) The Pennzoil conventional pour point was better (-39 F. versus -33 F) . No HT / HS numbers for the Mobil Super 5000 I could find . The only thing certain was the Quaker State Advanced Duribility for 5w20 came in a little lower - still very good most likely . * What do you think over all about the new MC Syn Blend 5w20 SN rated ? For grins I would like to see a lower tier full synthetic such as Quaker State Ultimate Durability specs. to see what it's numbers look like(couldn't find Quaker State Ultimate Durability specs on QS web site) ...
QUAKER STATE® ULTIMATE DURABILITY MOTOR OIL.
TEST METHOD TYPICAL RESULTS
Viscosity Grade. 0W-20 5W-20 5w30 5W-50 10w30
API Service SN SN SN SN SN
ILSAC GF-5 GF-5 GF-5 - GF-5
ACEA A1-02 A1-02 A5-02 A3-02 A5-02*
Gravity, °API ASTM D-287 34.8 35.1 34.8 34.4 33.9
Specific Gravity @
60°F(15.6°C)
ASTM D-287 0.851 0.849 0.851 0.853 0.854
Viscosity @ 40°C, cSt ASTM D-445 42.6 46.51 58.5 109.5 63.9
Viscosity @100°C,cSt ASTM D-445 8.39 8.68 10.53 18.7 10.8
Viscosity Index ASTM D-2270 175 168 172 192 157
Flash Point, °F ASTM D-93 435 440 440 440 440
Pour Point, °C ASTM D-97 -48 -45 -45 -42 -45
CCS Viscosity, cP (°C) ASTM D-5293 4840(-35) 3,480 (-30) 3,980 (-30) 4,600 (-30) 3650 (-25)
MRV Viscosity, cP
(°C)
ASTM D-4684 17,500 (-40) 9,600 (-35) 12,800 (-35) 23,300 (-35) 9400 (-30)
HT/HS Viscosity, cP
(°C)
ASTM D-4683 2.6 2.64 3.0 4.1 3.1
Noack Volatility, % ASTM D-5800 14 13.4 12.3 14.2 11.1
TEST METHOD TYPICAL RESULTS
Viscosity Grade. 0W-20 5W-20 5w30 5W-50 10w30
API Service SN SN SN SN SN
ILSAC GF-5 GF-5 GF-5 - GF-5
ACEA A1-02 A1-02 A5-02 A3-02 A5-02*
Gravity, °API ASTM D-287 34.8 35.1 34.8 34.4 33.9
Specific Gravity @
60°F(15.6°C)
ASTM D-287 0.851 0.849 0.851 0.853 0.854
Viscosity @ 40°C, cSt ASTM D-445 42.6 46.51 58.5 109.5 63.9
Viscosity @100°C,cSt ASTM D-445 8.39 8.68 10.53 18.7 10.8
Viscosity Index ASTM D-2270 175 168 172 192 157
Flash Point, °F ASTM D-93 435 440 440 440 440
Pour Point, °C ASTM D-97 -48 -45 -45 -42 -45
CCS Viscosity, cP (°C) ASTM D-5293 4840(-35) 3,480 (-30) 3,980 (-30) 4,600 (-30) 3650 (-25)
MRV Viscosity, cP
(°C)
ASTM D-4684 17,500 (-40) 9,600 (-35) 12,800 (-35) 23,300 (-35) 9400 (-30)
HT/HS Viscosity, cP
(°C)
ASTM D-4683 2.6 2.64 3.0 4.1 3.1
Noack Volatility, % ASTM D-5800 14 13.4 12.3 14.2 11.1
I usually look for an oil with some moly in it to use on my Toyota since it does not have a roller cam, also I think the moly is beneficial to cyl wear and low rpm "luggability". I dont use 20 grade oils since my cars are not spec'd for them - I added a 1/2 qt of 20 this winter to get the hot viscosity where it need s to be during my commute and ease cold warmup. The subaru likes a thicker 30 grade in the summer so thats mainly what I look for there unless i see a consumption issue with a particular brand - then I will pass on that next time.
Thanks for the information ARCOgraphite , my new dino ranking is as follows :
1a. MC Syn Blend SN 5W20
1b. Pennzoil conventional SN 5w20
2. Mobil Super 5000 SN 5w20
3. QS Advanced Durability SN 5w20
* The Quaker State Ultimate Durability synthetic at $19.00 per 5 quart jug at Walmart puts it close enough in price to the above three for serious consideration .
1a. MC Syn Blend SN 5W20
1b. Pennzoil conventional SN 5w20
2. Mobil Super 5000 SN 5w20
3. QS Advanced Durability SN 5w20
* The Quaker State Ultimate Durability synthetic at $19.00 per 5 quart jug at Walmart puts it close enough in price to the above three for serious consideration .
As a result of your personal analysis of Motorcraft, Pennzoil conventional, Mobil Super and Quaker State Advanced Durability...all in 5w20, how much synthetic is now in these conventional oils to help them meet the SN, GF-5 classification?
Thanks.
Thanks.
Mr ARCOgraphite ,you are the best. This is why I visit the site to get info like this. Thanks for your effort.
Not to confuse the issue, but Durablend is a sleeper. Has a vi of 161 in the 5-20 and is Dexos approved?? I really do not know about that, wording leaves something missing. Either way at $19 you get 5 qts and usually a Pure One. The few uoa show low wear #. Just something to ponder.
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