Correct, it's wet clutch but I think it would still not be as smooth as traditional automatic, time will tell.7 speed DSG I believe.
Correct, it's wet clutch but I think it would still not be as smooth as traditional automatic, time will tell.7 speed DSG I believe.
I drove a Passat with the 3.6 / DSG a few times and thought it was one of the best behaved transmissions I've ever had interaction with. I had no issues "learning" how to drive it. It was fool proof in my experience. Lighting fast, imperceivable shifts. Loved it.The DSG is a little tricky to learn from a stop, but otherwise under normal driving the shifts are fast and would be imperceptible were it not for the change in engine tone or the tach. I absolutely love it.
Yeah no, I did mean compared to the Outback. I might bet on the Crosstrek in the snow though.To GLI? Not a chance.
Well, AWD against FWD.Yeah no, I did mean compared to the Outback. I might bet on the Crosstrek in the snow though.
If you don't need AWD then I don't think Subaru wins in too many categories.
Yep, we're doing some unplowed logging roads to go ice fishing and our driveway and land is all hills so having an AWD vehicle is "required" for us in southern ontario, but for the second one fwd with snows is fine.Well I live 50 km North of Toronto and I've always driven FWD cars with proper snow tires, and never got stuck.
AWD is nice to have if you don't have too much experience in the snow or if you just have one car, but I already have one so AWD vehicle so it was not my priority for the second car.
AWD is not a must, unless you drive on deep snow all the time, maybe in AB, SK or Northern Provinces, but not in Southern Ontario.
The subaru system on the Outback is really 4wd on demand, just a clutch pack locking front and rear axles together, although it seems quite "tight" with the rears kicking in very quickly. We had an 01 and 06 CRV in the family and it was comical in the snow, how they could spin up the front wheels in a corner for a second and then the backs would hammer in sending you into a full AWD drift, although I liked honda's KISS no electronics system and I'm sure the new ones are faster to react. The subaru system is too fast plus stability control jumps in to keep you from going full Colin McRae.Don't forget you pay twice (at least) for AWD. When you pay for your car and every time when you fill up due to added friction and added weight. That said, an AWD car with the same engine will be slower, not from a stand still but slower in gear, that's why AWD vehicles often come with shorter gearing. AWD will still handle different. While traction is better handling will feel less nimble. AWD feels heavier just because it is heavier. I always prefered the GTI feel over the R's not to mention the heavy Mk5 R32 with its heavy iron block VR6 and AWD. A Lotus Elise or a Mini Cooper is hard to imagine with AWD.
Last not least, dgunay's GLI is supposed to come with the BorgWarner made VAQ/FXD LSD just like the GTI Performance and Clubsport or the current Focus ST, or, probably not BW made, but same working principle: BMW M4, M5, virtually all contemporary Ferraris, some Porsches etc.. While not providing AWD traction VAQ still offers an improvement over both FWD and RWD traction with open diff that is clearly noticeable on snow. Don't forget most AWD system aren't actually true ALL wheel drive systems but just "both axle drive" systems since they use to lack LSDs. In a worst case scenario (µ split) just two wheels are actually driven - one on front and one on rear. That's why more advanced AWD systems come with LSDs or even full locking diffs. Or active torque vectoring diff like the Focus RS, Tiguan R, the Mk8 Golf R or the new RS3.
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A 2015 Subaru Outback we tested with a 2.5-liter four-cylinder went around our figure eight in 26.3 seconds at 0.63 g (avg). What else completed our figure eight in 26.3 seconds? A 2004 Cadillac CTS-V, a 2013 Subaru BRZ, a 2003 Ford Mustang SVT Cobra (yes, the Terminator), and a 2015 Mini Cooper S Hardtop four-door. Those all posted a higher average g number, but from start to finish, the numbers don't lie. The Outback is mighty capable.
Out here in Commie-Fornia... when it comes to winter driving, 2WD are for peasants and their snow chains/cab;es in the very common R2 chain control condition, regardless if they have a 3PMSF tire or not.Don't forget you pay twice (at least) for AWD. When you pay for your car and every time when you fill up due to added friction and added weight. That said, an AWD car with the same engine will be slower, not from a stand still but slower in gear, that's why AWD vehicles often come with shorter gearing. AWD will still handle different. While traction is better handling will feel less nimble. AWD feels heavier just because it is heavier. I always prefered the GTI feel over the R's not to mention the heavy Mk5 R32 with its heavy iron block VR6 and AWD. A Lotus Elise or a Mini Cooper is hard to imagine with AWD.
Last not least, dgunay's GLI is supposed to come with the BorgWarner made VAQ/FXD LSD just like the GTI Performance and Clubsport or the current Focus ST, or, probably not BW made, but same working principle: BMW M4, M5, virtually all contemporary Ferraris, some Porsches etc.. While not providing AWD traction VAQ still offers an improvement over both FWD and RWD traction with open diff that is clearly noticeable on snow. Don't forget most AWD system aren't actually true ALL wheel drive systems but just "both axle drive" systems since they use to lack LSDs. In a worst case scenario (µ split) just two wheels are actually driven - one on front and one on rear. That's why more advanced AWD systems come with LSDs or even full locking diffs. Or active torque vectoring diff like the Focus RS, Tiguan R, the Mk8 Golf R or the new RS3.
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Correct. To me AWD is more useful for a drifting/donut session on walmart parking lot when it snows rather than a weekend adventure, as I never take my cars off roadYep, we're doing some unplowed logging roads to go ice fishing and our driveway and land is all hills so having an AWD vehicle is "required" for us in southern ontario, but for the second one fwd with snows is fine.
With the vehicles listed and your location "open range" do you need AWD or 4WD? Maybe you work for the CIA and you must keep your location "secret".Don't forget you pay twice (at least) for AWD. When you pay for your car and every time when you fill up due to added friction and added weight. That said, an AWD car with the same engine will be slower, not from a stand still but slower in gear, that's why AWD vehicles often come with shorter gearing. AWD will still handle different. While traction is better handling will feel less nimble. AWD feels heavier just because it is heavier. I always prefered the GTI feel over the R's not to mention the heavy Mk5 R32 with its heavy iron block VR6 and AWD. A Lotus Elise or a Mini Cooper is hard to imagine with AWD.
Last not least, dgunay's GLI is supposed to come with the BorgWarner made VAQ/FXD LSD just like the GTI Performance and Clubsport or the current Focus ST, or, probably not BW made, but same working principle: BMW M4, M5, virtually all contemporary Ferraris, some Porsches etc.. While not providing AWD traction VAQ still offers an improvement over both FWD and RWD traction with open diff that is clearly noticeable on snow. Don't forget most AWD system aren't actually true ALL wheel drive systems but just "both axle drive" systems since they use to lack LSDs. In a worst case scenario (µ split) just two wheels are actually driven - one on front and one on rear. That's why more advanced AWD systems come with LSDs or even full locking diffs. Or active torque vectoring diff like the Focus RS, Tiguan R, the Mk8 Golf R or the new RS3.
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Maybe you work for the CIA and you must keep your location "secret".