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You have to see things from the other side.

If I said the same story to you and the boards here regarding let's say Mobil1 and no one else has ever heard of the story, how on Earth do I expect people to believe me? And, what is more, what does that have to do with Mobil1 today?

It's just confusing and only verifiable to "me" while naturally others would challenge my story. I provided nothing but a story.
We see (usually new) users on here all the time with some story of how some brand caused damage, but with no verifiable evidence that the particular brand caused the failure.

As I often say, observing something is the easy part. Attributing that observation to one specific variable or another is the far more difficult part.

Amsoil is a lesser brand in this but it happens. Usually it’s Mobil 1 or Pennzoil. The fact that the poster’s comment about “Amsoil propaganda” gets you pretty far down the road as to where this is all coming from.
 
We see (usually new) users on here all the time with some story of how some brand caused damage, but with no verifiable evidence that the particular brand caused the failure.

As I often say, observing something is the easy part. Attributing that observation to one specific variable or another is the far more difficult part.

Amsoil is a lesser brand in this but it happens. Usually it’s Mobil 1 or Pennzoil. The fact that the poster’s comment about “Amsoil propaganda” gets you pretty far down the road as to where this is all coming from.
Indeed. Word choice matters. It's a good insight into where someone is coming from.

For fun, I asked Google AI this question "did amsoil 2t oil cause Yamaha VZ300 outboard failure seizure" and found this thread:


And this AI commentary resulted:


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By the oil being shaken in the reservoir air bubbles occurred which made its way into the injector lines. This caused larger air bubbles that starved the engine of oil. A 2T gets it lubrication from the oil mixed in with the gas.
Excessive vibration in an oil reservoir may give rise to bubbles but contaminants in the reservoir or air leaks are the usual cause of insufficient oil injection. What outboard or inboard engine was this? Was this a gravity flow or oil pump system?
In Hydrodynamic terms the root cause would be mechanical air entrainment caused by turbulent kinetic energy. Under the same conditions Yamalube did not show any form of bubble evolution or entrained air.
Hydrodynamic flow can be turbulent or linear. Energy is neither. Energy is the work impressed on a fluid to make it move. You need to review your basic physics.
It was over 20 years ago. And mine was repaired under warranty. Sadly quite a few other customers after myself were denied warranty claims. Naturally I don't have their documents.
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I am just sharing my experience at what happened to me and other customers back many years ago. I'm not putting down Pablo being an Amsoil dealer.

I would have thought that the good members of this community would be happy to know my honest and forthcoming information regarding this brand of oil. Just because I won't use Amsoil does not mean you can't. I'm only sharing forthright and credible information. It's up to you to decide.
Rather than derailing this thread you should have started a thread in the https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/forums/boat-pwc-lubrication.13/

forum.
 
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You don't want to believe me? That is your choice. The snarky adolescent comments we can all do without. No reason for either of you to troll.
We don’t really have reason to believe you without proof. The onus is on the person making claims and accusations to back up and prove them. You’ve done nothing of the sort so it stands to reason that you’re the only one trolling here denigrating (insert brand here) products without proof. Thats how things work in logic and debate when discussing things as adults.

This is no different than the “my grandpappy used Pennzoil in 1954 and it sludged his engine up! Don’t use Pennzoil!” Or “mix ATF into your oil for the cleaning properties or to fix your lifter tick!”
 
Indeed. Word choice matters. It's a good insight into where someone is coming from.

For fun, I asked Google AI this question "did amsoil 2t oil cause Yamaha VZ300 outboard failure seizure" and found this thread:


And this AI commentary resulted:


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Pretty much what I came up with as well.

So maybe something DID HAPPEN.

PURE GUESS. I know nothing, but I am speculating here. Amsoil paid a claim or three, studied the situation and Amsoil found out it was really an engine problem (see above)
 
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Absolutely true. Your choice to believe the Amsoil propaganda.

It might be different today than it was back in 2004. I get it. The Amsoil advertising campaign by popular marketing influencers such as Gale Banks and others is titillating to the gullible.

Bottom line is do your research. Mine and other small group of anecdotal experiences are just a small representation of using a subpar oil.

BTW the dealers I did business with tried to reach out to Amsoil and presented all evidence to them showing the oil failures. Amsoil denied claims and repairs came out of customers pockets.
Calling Gale Banks a marketing influencer is diabolical.
 
@kschachn To your larger point earlier, attributing blame without verifiable proof is mere speculation and irresponsible. Correlation does not equal causation. It's basic folks!

A group of people that may have happened to be using Amsoil in a problem prone outboard motor gives the oil (Amsoil in this case) the "under the bus" treatment because it's not a major brand and was low hanging fruit decades ago. Meanwhile, that small circle of people have tarnished a brand in their minds! Sad!

For spits and giggles, I googled this search "early 2000s Yamaha VZ300 failures" and more information suggests several modes of failure could have existed; especially in the earlier models before corrective action was taken by Yamaha.

ADDED: One example of someone doing a series of videos diagnosing a failure on one of these (their conclusion was injector failure at the 7 minute mark):



Sadly, it sounds like if this did happen, those folks may have had legitimate legal cases, but got played the "Amsoil" brand card is to blame.

And, since that was the result for some of those supposed individuals, they never pursued getting justice and just accepted defeat.

Amsoil was never the issue. (as we knew was likely all along)

And, I look forward to continuing to use their superb products! Happy customer for life. :)
 
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@kschachn To your larger point earlier, attributing blame without verifiable proof is mere speculation and irresponsible. Correlation does not equal causation. It's basic folks!

A group of people that may have happened to be using Amsoil in a problem prone outboard motor gives the oil (Amsoil in this case) the "under the bus" treatment because it's not a major brand and was low hanging fruit decades ago. Meanwhile, that small circle of people have tarnished a brand in their minds! Sad!

For spits and giggles, I googled this search "early 2000s Yamaha VZ300 failures" and more information suggests several modes of failure could have existed; especially in the earlier models before corrective action was taken by Yamaha.

ADDED: One example of someone doing a series of videos diagnosing a failure on one of these (their conclusion was injector failure at the 7 minute mark):



Sadly, it sounds like if this did happen, those folks may have had legitimate legal cases, but got played the "Amsoil" brand card is to blame.

And, since that was the result for some of those supposed individuals, they never pursued getting justice and just accepted defeat.

Amsoil was never the issue. (as we knew was likely all along)

And, I look forward to continuing to use their superb products! Happy customer for life. :)

Otherwise known as “illusory correlation.”
 
@kschachn To your larger point earlier, attributing blame without verifiable proof is mere speculation and irresponsible. Correlation does not equal causation. It's basic folks!

A group of people that may have happened to be using Amsoil in a problem prone outboard motor gives the oil (Amsoil in this case) the "under the bus" treatment because it's not a major brand and was low hanging fruit decades ago. Meanwhile, that small circle of people have tarnished a brand in their minds! Sad!

For spits and giggles, I googled this search "early 2000s Yamaha VZ300 failures" and more information suggests several modes of failure could have existed; especially in the earlier models before corrective action was taken by Yamaha.

ADDED: One example of someone doing a series of videos diagnosing a failure on one of these (their conclusion was injector failure at the 7 minute mark):



Sadly, it sounds like if this did happen, those folks may have had legitimate legal cases, but got played the "Amsoil" brand card is to blame.

And, since that was the result for some of those supposed individuals, they never pursued getting justice and just accepted defeat.

Amsoil was never the issue. (as we knew was likely all along)

And, I look forward to continuing to use their superb products! Happy customer for life. :)

The comments on the video are interesting too.
 
I am just sharing my experience at what happened to me and other customers back many years ago. I'm not putting down Pablo being an Amsoil dealer.

I would have thought that the good members of this community would be happy to know my honest and forthcoming information regarding this brand of oil. Just because I won't use Amsoil does not mean you can't. I'm only sharing forthright and credible information. It's up to you to decide.
Very little about your story is forthright or honest.

You use derogatory terms, like, “propaganda“, “titillating” and “gullible” so, it’s clear that you were emotionally impacted by the negative experience.

If you were forthright, you would not include all of this emotion in your post. You would use neutral, professional terminology, to discuss it, if you were being forthright, but your emotionalism tells us that you are not being forthright.

You may feel honest, but it is an emotional honesty, not a professional one. Not unbiased.

And you’re ranting about something that happened over 20 years ago. It is possible that, in the intervening decades, things have changed.

Given your previous “thoughts” on oil, for example, and your surprise that “supertech” is an actual brand, I have to wonder what your goal in this thread is.
 
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And you’re ranting about something that happened over 20 years ago. It is possible that, in the intervening decades, things have changed.

This was already addressed many posts ago:
Sorry to get this thread side railed. I was just pointing out that oil warranty claims can and do get denied. Like I stated this was an anecdotal experience over 2 decades ago.

You use derogatory terms, like, “propaganda“, “titillating” and “gullible”
LOL those words are far from derogatory!!
 
Sounds like that boat dealer feed a bunch of customers a complete line of malarkey and got away with it….
Amsoil was cutting into their profits for selling high priced oil on the shelf; ergo, time to badmouth Amsoil so customers buy your high priced stuff!
 
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If amsoil was a problem, zero vehicles I've bought in the last 8 years would have survived. I've used it in everything from a Ford taurus, scat pack and hellcat, my previous and current Silverado, and my camaro's 565 before I switched from Amsoil Dominator to HPL BARO.

As others have said, this outboard engine story means nothing without proof, it's merely an anecdote. I will continue to use Amsoil products, they have always done right by me.
 
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