New 2009 F-150 - new oil dilemma

[Art_Vandelay]

Originally Posted By: Drew2000
Originally Posted By: Art_Vandelay

Stop and go NYC traffic with a 7000 OCI is incredible. Do you think the regular Ford 4.6 can handle that interval on Motorcraft under the same severe conditions?


The vans are -supposed- to get serviced every 5k, but the reality is that it often gets pushed beyond.

I think the 5.4 for the Econoline is the older 2 valve motor w/o VVT. Ford probably realizes that the van buyers are mostly commercial customers, so they keep the drivetrain simple. Don't know about the 4.6l, but I bet that it would still be ok, as it's in the lighter-duty E150 range.

As I recall, the 2-valve 5.4l has a forged crank, oil cooler and was designed for HD "severe" service.
Also, the 5.4l has a 6 or 7qt sump which helps too.


Thanks. Yes I bet the larger sump helps a lot.

 

[ProStreetCamaro]

Originally Posted By: tvsjr
Originally Posted By: peterdes
Shouldn't have bought a ford...


Let's see... looking at vehicles I or my family have owned in the recent past:
97 Expedition - sold, running great, 189K
01 Expedition - sold to a friend, still running great, 120K
01 Expedition - in service, running great, 90K
03 F150 - totaled in a wreck, 97K
07 F150 - in service, running great (despite having a spark plug snap off in the head today at the dealer...), 114K
09 F150 - running great whenever the [censored] thing arrives!

And that doesn't count the numerous Ford vehicles I've driven (squad cars, our light rescue, our engine, our squad, one brush truck, ambulances, etc.) in fire service that seem to do pretty well.

The F350 was an atypical dud... unfortunately not quite bad enough to lemon. I expect the new F150 to have a long and happy life...



Count your blessings. Our ford trucks and SUV's have been the complete opposite with engine, brake and electrical problems. The 4.6 and 5.4 are turds plain and simple. Ford should be ashamed to put such weak engines in any kind of truck.

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: ProStreetCamaro
Originally Posted By: tvsjr
Originally Posted By: peterdes
Shouldn't have bought a ford...


Let's see... looking at vehicles I or my family have owned in the recent past:
97 Expedition - sold, running great, 189K
01 Expedition - sold to a friend, still running great, 120K
01 Expedition - in service, running great, 90K
03 F150 - totaled in a wreck, 97K
07 F150 - in service, running great (despite having a spark plug snap off in the head today at the dealer...), 114K
09 F150 - running great whenever the [censored] thing arrives!

And that doesn't count the numerous Ford vehicles I've driven (squad cars, our light rescue, our engine, our squad, one brush truck, ambulances, etc.) in fire service that seem to do pretty well.

The F350 was an atypical dud... unfortunately not quite bad enough to lemon. I expect the new F150 to have a long and happy life...



Count your blessings. Our ford trucks and SUV's have been the complete opposite with engine, brake and electrical problems. The 4.6 and 5.4 are turds plain and simple. Ford should be ashamed to put such weak engines in any kind of truck.


Sorry to hear of your Ford truck problems, my luck with them has been completely the opposite, very dependable. I found GMC to be problems for me when I owned them. YMMV, it could also be just luck too.

 

[Ben99GT]

Originally Posted By: ProStreetCamaro

Count your blessings. Our ford trucks and SUV's have been the complete opposite with engine, brake and electrical problems. The 4.6 and 5.4 are turds plain and simple. Ford should be ashamed to put such weak engines in any kind of truck.


The 4.6 and 5.4 are excellent and long lived engines.

 

[sw99]

I love the 5.4L Triton. These things take some serious abuse and keep running strong...

 

[CROWNVIC4LIFE]

Originally Posted By: Ben99GT
Originally Posted By: ProStreetCamaro

Count your blessings. Our ford trucks and SUV's have been the complete opposite with engine, brake and electrical problems. The 4.6 and 5.4 are turds plain and simple. Ford should be ashamed to put such weak engines in any kind of truck.


The 4.6 and 5.4 are excellent and long lived engines.


I know someone who works for the Miami-Dade P.D. They have lots of 4.6 and 5.4 Trucks and SUV's..They have no problems with them what so ever..These vechiles take allot of abuse..

 

[ADFD1]

Originally Posted By: CROWNVIC4LIFE


I know someone who works for the Miami-Dade P.D. They have lots of 4.6 and 5.4 Trucks and SUV's..They have no problems with them what so ever..These vechiles take allot of abuse..



I've heard the same thing. Just wondering what grade oil are they running?

 

[sw99]

For our fleet, we use the MC 5w20. We have over 100 vehicles (Between the police crown vic's and the F150 Public Works trucks). The police crown vic's get swapped out at approximately 100K. That 100K + the idle hours on these cars, they estimate that the engines have approximately 400K on them... That's more than enough for me!

 

[panthermike]

Originally Posted By: ProStreetCamaro
Originally Posted By: tvsjr
Originally Posted By: peterdes
Shouldn't have bought a ford...


Let's see... looking at vehicles I or my family have owned in the recent past:
97 Expedition - sold, running great, 189K
01 Expedition - sold to a friend, still running great, 120K
01 Expedition - in service, running great, 90K
03 F150 - totaled in a wreck, 97K
07 F150 - in service, running great (despite having a spark plug snap off in the head today at the dealer...), 114K
09 F150 - running great whenever the [censored] thing arrives!

And that doesn't count the numerous Ford vehicles I've driven (squad cars, our light rescue, our engine, our squad, one brush truck, ambulances, etc.) in fire service that seem to do pretty well.

The F350 was an atypical dud... unfortunately not quite bad enough to lemon. I expect the new F150 to have a long and happy life...



Count your blessings. Our ford trucks and SUV's have been the complete opposite with engine, brake and electrical problems. The 4.6 and 5.4 are turds plain and simple. Ford should be ashamed to put such weak engines in any kind of truck.


We've always had good luck with ours. The 5.4 is plenty capable, and the 4.6, 5.4 motors are some of the best around, IMO.

 

[CROWNVIC4LIFE]

Originally Posted By: sw99
For our fleet, we use the MC 5w20. We have over 100 vehicles (Between the police crown vic's and the F150 Public Works trucks). The police crown vic's get swapped out at approximately 100K. That 100K + the idle hours on these cars, they estimate that the engines have approximately 400K on them... That's more than enough for me!


The Miami-Dade P.D. keeps their Crown Vics [some of them] up to 10 years and 150K miles..I can only imagine adding in the idling time what the mileage really is..Being their take home cars prabably helps.

 

[CROWNVIC4LIFE]

Originally Posted By: ADFD1
Originally Posted By: CROWNVIC4LIFE


I know someone who works for the Miami-Dade P.D. They have lots of 4.6 and 5.4 Trucks and SUV's..They have no problems with them what so ever..These vechiles take allot of abuse..



I've heard the same thing. Just wondering what grade oil are they running?


Not sure but I will try to find out.

 

[sw99]

Yea, the idle time is the one that baffles me. Last I heard, 5 minutes of idle time was equivalent to 40-50 miles of driving.

IIRC, these cars averaged 7500 hours of idle time.

 

[ADFD1]

Originally Posted By: CROWNVIC4LIFE
Originally Posted By: ADFD1
Originally Posted By: CROWNVIC4LIFE


I know someone who works for the Miami-Dade P.D. They have lots of 4.6 and 5.4 Trucks and SUV's..They have no problems with them what so ever..These vechiles take allot of abuse..



I've heard the same thing. Just wondering what grade oil are they running?


Not sure but I will try to find out.


Thanks, I'd be interested. The guy I spoke to a while back (when I was in NY) was running them on 5W20, not sure what brand though.

 

[Bryanccfshr]

In our oilfield fleet trucks we run whatever 5w20 the local bulk distributer has. Lately it has been conoco. In my experience with Fords the new powerstrokes are always having problems(injectors and crank positioning sensors notoriously) while the 4.6 and 5.4 have never let me down.

 

[lazaro]

Originally Posted By: CROWNVIC4LIFE
Originally Posted By: ADFD1
Originally Posted By: CROWNVIC4LIFE


I know someone who works for the Miami-Dade P.D. They have lots of 4.6 and 5.4 Trucks and SUV's..They have no problems with them what so ever..These vechiles take allot of abuse..



I've heard the same thing. Just wondering what grade oil are they running?


Not sure but I will try to find out.

since we both live in the same county I happen to know how the sysytem works at Miami DADE Coumty, anything purchased is on a BID cheapest BID gets the account, any mineral oil that meets the manufatures spec get used and get changed no matter what 3000 miles or 3 months, Severe service recomend, no ands ifs or buts about it.
Tax payer money hard at work here!

 

[CROWNVIC4LIFE]

Originally Posted By: lazaro
Originally Posted By: CROWNVIC4LIFE

since we both live in the same county I happen to know how the sysytem works at Miami DADE Coumty, anything purchased is on a BID cheapest BID gets the account, any mineral oil that meets the manufatures spec get used and get changed no matter what 3000 miles or 3 months, Severe service recomend, no ands ifs or buts about it.
Tax payer money hard at work here!


Thank you very much!

 

[ADFD1]

Originally Posted By: lazaro
Originally Posted By: CROWNVIC4LIFE
Originally Posted By: ADFD1
Originally Posted By: CROWNVIC4LIFE


I know someone who works for the Miami-Dade P.D. They have lots of 4.6 and 5.4 Trucks and SUV's..They have no problems with them what so ever..These vechiles take allot of abuse..



I've heard the same thing. Just wondering what grade oil are they running?


Not sure but I will try to find out.

since we both live in the same county I happen to know how the sysytem works at Miami DADE Coumty, anything purchased is on a BID cheapest BID gets the account, any mineral oil that meets the manufatures spec get used and get changed no matter what 3000 miles or 3 months, Severe service recomend, no ands ifs or buts about it.
Tax payer money hard at work here!


I'm pretty sure the system works the same on Long Island. But they did stick to the mfg recommended grade of oil. They were treated as severe service as well.

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[ProStreetCamaro]

Yeah the 4.6 and 5.4 is so great our 5.4 expedition can barely get out of its own way. We were scared to death the time we towed my race car with it. God help us if we wanted to pass somebody or came to a steep incline.

The 4.6 is even worse. We towed my car to a race track that along the way had some steep long grades. We knew which one was the worst so I poured the coals to it and get to about 75 at the bottom. When we reached the top we were doing 25. Much more and it would have come to a dead stop.


For proof here is our 5.4 expedition. This truck has electrical gremlins that even a ford engineer couldn't figure out. Auto dimmer dims all the time. Once in a while it will surge and you have to hold the brake hard so it doesn't jump into the car in front of you. Also likes to go into 4X4 just cruising down the dry road for no apparent reason.

Now on the other hand our two work trucks jerk the car around like its nothing. This truck has 200K on it and they have been a hard 200K of nothing but towing heavy loads. Trans fluid is even still original (hate to admit that)

And the new 6.0 truck (what a freaking BEAST of an engine!)

Towing my fathers street rod to the beach

We will NEVER buy another ford. Like I said before if they treat you well then I cant knock that. They just haven't treated us very good. 3 engines gone with 60K or less on the clock will put a bad taste in your mouth. Then comes the newer triton under powered junk. No thanks!


EDIT: sorry about the huge pics

 

[tom slick]

The strange twists threads take around here.

 

[Ben99GT]

What a maroon!

You're comparing the acceleration of a 5+ year old 4x4 Expedition to a Reg cab 2wd stripper 2500 with a 6.0?

Try comparing that Expedition to a 5 year old Tahoe 4x4 with the 5.3.