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Never using a pureone again.
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fyi, the previous response was addressed to the OP.
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More P1's for me. I'll use them on both the cars in my siggy with zero lost sleep at night.
I've been using AAP's TotalGrip "sand cans" on the Buick for its last 5 oil changes since picking up a bunch on clearance for 95 cents apiece. No problems to report...
I've been using AAP's TotalGrip "sand cans" on the Buick for its last 5 oil changes since picking up a bunch on clearance for 95 cents apiece. No problems to report...
My favorite filters are royal purple/ toyota's trd, m1, and wix/napa gold.
I've been using P1s on both mine and my mom's Jeeps. Yeah, the cans do feel a little thin, but the filters are well out of the way of road debris, so I'm not concerned by it. I've never cut one open myself, but most of the ones (the models I use, PL14670 and PL30001 in particular) looked pretty good when cut open.
Are there better filters out there? Of course there are. Do I feel it worth the extra money when these do the job quite well at $6.50 each? Nope.
Are there better filters out there? Of course there are. Do I feel it worth the extra money when these do the job quite well at $6.50 each? Nope.
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I made the mistake of blasting P1's on here before, it would be like blasting Pennzoil...you and your family would not be safe and would need to go into some kind of witness protection program. I Don't like how Purolator make's the 97.5/99.9% efficiency claim either. No filter is that good and I sure can't tell a difference in the consruction of the "sand can's" or the Classic in any way except for the silicone ADBV. I still use them occasionally, I don't think they are worse than Fram ExtraGuards. They are OK for a pretty cheap price. I wouldn't worry too much about the waves.
An interesting observation. As a newer poster, but one who has watched for a while, it is interesting to see the love/hate on the forums. P1, Penzoil, Fram EG, GC and MMO all have loyal (sometimes cult-like) following. Where, Fram OCOD, E-core filters and many other product have universal dislike. When these products are discussed contrary to popular beliefs the group think mentality sure comes out.
I ended up with a stash of P1 due to the $3 after AAP coupon when you buy 5 filters. Some (most of the filters) had codes with the 4th digit as the letter B. Two, however, had an letter A. The letter A had more smaller holes in the center tube, where the B had larger, but farther spaced holes. These were all L1011 filters.
I made the mistake of blasting P1's on here before, it would be like blasting Pennzoil...you and your family would not be safe and would need to go into some kind of witness protection program. I Don't like how Purolator make's the 97.5/99.9% efficiency claim either. No filter is that good and I sure can't tell a difference in the consruction of the "sand can's" or the Classic in any way except for the silicone ADBV. I still use them occasionally, I don't think they are worse than Fram ExtraGuards. They are OK for a pretty cheap price. I wouldn't worry too much about the waves.
An interesting observation. As a newer poster, but one who has watched for a while, it is interesting to see the love/hate on the forums. P1, Penzoil, Fram EG, GC and MMO all have loyal (sometimes cult-like) following. Where, Fram OCOD, E-core filters and many other product have universal dislike. When these products are discussed contrary to popular beliefs the group think mentality sure comes out.
I ended up with a stash of P1 due to the $3 after AAP coupon when you buy 5 filters. Some (most of the filters) had codes with the 4th digit as the letter B. Two, however, had an letter A. The letter A had more smaller holes in the center tube, where the B had larger, but farther spaced holes. These were all L1011 filters.
I use P1s, classics, Mobil, Napa Golds, Bosch... quite a few other filters. I, however, prefer construction and flow over any other feature.
Purolators do not have the can construction of a Napa/Wix or a Mobil filter. For every person that points this out, there are 10 that point back and say "so what?"
Purolators do not have the can construction of a Napa/Wix or a Mobil filter. For every person that points this out, there are 10 that point back and say "so what?"
Originally Posted By: bigmike
I use P1s, classics, Mobil, Napa Golds, Bosch... quite a few other filters. I, however, prefer construction and flow over any other feature.
Purolators do not have the can construction of a Napa/Wix or a Mobil filter. For every person that points this out, there are 10 that point back and say "so what?"
Yes, really, what about it exactly makes you shy away? Road debris? Can exploding?
I don't use PureONE filters much, but don't hesitate to use them. Okay, thickness of the canister is less than my favorite filters, but does that mean the P1 is at the 'minimal can thickness before imploding point'??? Does anyone really know what a thickness requirement is? Yeah, you can get better outer construction, but what if the P1 had the thickest can and the others all were less? The P1's current thickness would be godlike. Thus, it's all about perspective.
I use P1s, classics, Mobil, Napa Golds, Bosch... quite a few other filters. I, however, prefer construction and flow over any other feature.
Purolators do not have the can construction of a Napa/Wix or a Mobil filter. For every person that points this out, there are 10 that point back and say "so what?"
Yes, really, what about it exactly makes you shy away? Road debris? Can exploding?
I don't use PureONE filters much, but don't hesitate to use them. Okay, thickness of the canister is less than my favorite filters, but does that mean the P1 is at the 'minimal can thickness before imploding point'??? Does anyone really know what a thickness requirement is? Yeah, you can get better outer construction, but what if the P1 had the thickest can and the others all were less? The P1's current thickness would be godlike. Thus, it's all about perspective.
Originally Posted By: ltslimjim
Originally Posted By: bigmike
I use P1s, classics, Mobil, Napa Golds, Bosch... quite a few other filters. I, however, prefer construction and flow over any other feature.
Purolators do not have the can construction of a Napa/Wix or a Mobil filter. For every person that points this out, there are 10 that point back and say "so what?"
Yes, really, what about it exactly makes you shy away? Road debris? Can exploding?
I don't use PureONE filters much, but don't hesitate to use them. Okay, thickness of the canister is less than my favorite filters, but does that mean the P1 is at the 'minimal can thickness before imploding point'??? Does anyone really know what a thickness requirement is? Yeah, you can get better outer construction, but what if the P1 had the thickest can and the others all were less? The P1's current thickness would be godlike. Thus, it's all about perspective.
I didn't state I shied away from them, but rather preferred construction and flow to be the priorities when choosing a filter.
Anyone that has cut open some filters can determine can thickness. The can construction on Bosch/Purolators is lacking in comparison to the others I mentioned.
I'm sure there is some degree of science to determine the minimum thickness before failure. I'm also sure, for cost measures, that manufacturing probably skirts the line as closely as possible while minimizing risk.
Let's get real here. We examine and analyze the construction of air filters the same way, but nobody comments negatively towards that analyzation when it is discussed in the Air Filter section. Why are so many BITOG members uptight about doing so with Purolator oil filters?
Originally Posted By: bigmike
I use P1s, classics, Mobil, Napa Golds, Bosch... quite a few other filters. I, however, prefer construction and flow over any other feature.
Purolators do not have the can construction of a Napa/Wix or a Mobil filter. For every person that points this out, there are 10 that point back and say "so what?"
Yes, really, what about it exactly makes you shy away? Road debris? Can exploding?
I don't use PureONE filters much, but don't hesitate to use them. Okay, thickness of the canister is less than my favorite filters, but does that mean the P1 is at the 'minimal can thickness before imploding point'??? Does anyone really know what a thickness requirement is? Yeah, you can get better outer construction, but what if the P1 had the thickest can and the others all were less? The P1's current thickness would be godlike. Thus, it's all about perspective.
I didn't state I shied away from them, but rather preferred construction and flow to be the priorities when choosing a filter.
Anyone that has cut open some filters can determine can thickness. The can construction on Bosch/Purolators is lacking in comparison to the others I mentioned.
I'm sure there is some degree of science to determine the minimum thickness before failure. I'm also sure, for cost measures, that manufacturing probably skirts the line as closely as possible while minimizing risk.
Let's get real here. We examine and analyze the construction of air filters the same way, but nobody comments negatively towards that analyzation when it is discussed in the Air Filter section. Why are so many BITOG members uptight about doing so with Purolator oil filters?
Originally Posted By: k24a4
That's it, I'm throwing out my stash of 20 or so P1's I picked up at $3 each.....not!
C'mon! At ~$3 a piece they have to be one of the best values out there.
Exactly!
'I'm NEVER using a P1 again because of some wavy media, and the can cut open easily.' NOT, the media or the can failed. 'Just didn't meet my expectation when compared to filters (M1, RP) costing > 3 times the (AAP) price of a P1.' Forget the goofy ecore comparison. Just keeping it real.
Here's a recently posted P1 with a 7k OCI. Looks awful.
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I think on a low hanging oil filter road debris is a real concern. Ive had them crush or bend when removing. It's common knowledge they are thin. Just not a fan of air thin filters.
Ah, finally got to the point, it wasn't this filter in particular, you just don't like P1. Surprised you used one again if they crushed and bent while removing in the past.
"Air thin"? Nah. But, at least more sincere than the original post.
That's it, I'm throwing out my stash of 20 or so P1's I picked up at $3 each.....not!
C'mon! At ~$3 a piece they have to be one of the best values out there.
Exactly!
'I'm NEVER using a P1 again because of some wavy media, and the can cut open easily.' NOT, the media or the can failed. 'Just didn't meet my expectation when compared to filters (M1, RP) costing > 3 times the (AAP) price of a P1.' Forget the goofy ecore comparison. Just keeping it real.
Here's a recently posted P1 with a 7k OCI. Looks awful.
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I think on a low hanging oil filter road debris is a real concern. Ive had them crush or bend when removing. It's common knowledge they are thin. Just not a fan of air thin filters.
Ah, finally got to the point, it wasn't this filter in particular, you just don't like P1. Surprised you used one again if they crushed and bent while removing in the past.
"Air thin"? Nah. But, at least more sincere than the original post.
I would think people on a site like this would try to get the very best they could. But so many are out to see how cheap they can buy their oil products. I'm all about deals if it is on something I want, but I don't buy stuff just because it's a good deal.
I like red line oils. They are probably over kill for anything i will probably ever own, but I believe it's one of the best products out there. Compare oil to everything else you spend everyday, it's cheap. Buy the good stuff not just something that meets the minimum standards. If a restaurant made a hamburger that tasted like dirt would you eat it because it was cheaper? It's still a hamburger and cheaper!
I've used a few P1's in the last couple years trying to like them, but I just don't for the same reasons every time.
I like red line oils. They are probably over kill for anything i will probably ever own, but I believe it's one of the best products out there. Compare oil to everything else you spend everyday, it's cheap. Buy the good stuff not just something that meets the minimum standards. If a restaurant made a hamburger that tasted like dirt would you eat it because it was cheaper? It's still a hamburger and cheaper!
I've used a few P1's in the last couple years trying to like them, but I just don't for the same reasons every time.
Originally Posted By: bigmike
I didn't state I shied away from them, but rather preferred construction and flow to be the priorities when choosing a filter.
Anyone that has cut open some filters can determine can thickness. The can construction on Bosch/Purolators is lacking in comparison to the others I mentioned.
I'm sure there is some degree of science to determine the minimum thickness before failure. I'm also sure, for cost measures, that manufacturing probably skirts the line as closely as possible while minimizing risk.
Let's get real here. We examine and analyze the construction of air filters the same way, but nobody comments negatively towards that analyzation when it is discussed in the Air Filter section. Why are so many BITOG members uptight about doing so with Purolator oil filters?
I respect where you are coming from, mike. The only thing is some people just don't see the can thickness being big enough of an issue to not use a good filtering filter for the price. It is a compromise on the filter construction in that area, and 'somewhat' on flow rate.
I think a lot of people just see it as being less important when compared to filtering capability. Of course, flow rate is relative to application. Some may see your view as a bit funny, but I can respect it for the reasons you mention, even though I don't agree with you. Sure, it's lacking what I'd want in a filter canister thickness, but I would still use them and do occasionally for better filtration. I prefer NG/Wix for their larger capacity on longer intervals I'm running on other applications.
I didn't state I shied away from them, but rather preferred construction and flow to be the priorities when choosing a filter.
Anyone that has cut open some filters can determine can thickness. The can construction on Bosch/Purolators is lacking in comparison to the others I mentioned.
I'm sure there is some degree of science to determine the minimum thickness before failure. I'm also sure, for cost measures, that manufacturing probably skirts the line as closely as possible while minimizing risk.
Let's get real here. We examine and analyze the construction of air filters the same way, but nobody comments negatively towards that analyzation when it is discussed in the Air Filter section. Why are so many BITOG members uptight about doing so with Purolator oil filters?
I respect where you are coming from, mike. The only thing is some people just don't see the can thickness being big enough of an issue to not use a good filtering filter for the price. It is a compromise on the filter construction in that area, and 'somewhat' on flow rate.
I think a lot of people just see it as being less important when compared to filtering capability. Of course, flow rate is relative to application. Some may see your view as a bit funny, but I can respect it for the reasons you mention, even though I don't agree with you. Sure, it's lacking what I'd want in a filter canister thickness, but I would still use them and do occasionally for better filtration. I prefer NG/Wix for their larger capacity on longer intervals I'm running on other applications.
From what I have seen, like the RP factory video shows, the seam breaks open first.
Here are some facts, from your own recent BITOG:
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/oil-filters-can-thickness-measurements-w-pics.144992/
I don't use the P1, or the Wix, and don't care which is better.
I almost bet this will be skipped right over, and the same rumor creating stuff will be repeated.
Here are some facts, from your own recent BITOG:
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/oil-filters-can-thickness-measurements-w-pics.144992/
I don't use the P1, or the Wix, and don't care which is better.
I almost bet this will be skipped right over, and the same rumor creating stuff will be repeated.
Originally Posted By: goodtimes
From what I have seen, like the RP factory video shows, the seam breaks open first.
Here are some facts, from your own recent BITOG:
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/oil-filters-can-thickness-measurements-w-pics.144992/
I don't use the P1, or the Wix, and don't care which is better.
I almost bet this will be skipped right over, and the same rumor creating stuff will be repeated.
How so? Which rumor? Thanks for the post. P1 looks fairly firm. I was surprised to see the NG/Wix being the thinnest, actually.
From what I have seen, like the RP factory video shows, the seam breaks open first.
Here are some facts, from your own recent BITOG:
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/oil-filters-can-thickness-measurements-w-pics.144992/
I don't use the P1, or the Wix, and don't care which is better.
I almost bet this will be skipped right over, and the same rumor creating stuff will be repeated.
How so? Which rumor? Thanks for the post. P1 looks fairly firm. I was surprised to see the NG/Wix being the thinnest, actually.
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