Neither Castrol 0W-40 nor M1 0W-40 have the the LL-01 rating any longer
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Based on what I've seen, none of the OW-XX oils carry the latest LL-01 approval.
How about Ravenol 0W-40 - https://www.ravenol.de/en/product-range/motor-oils-for-passenger-cars-1/ravenol-shl-0w-40/ ?
Approvals
Porsche A40, VW 502 00, VW 505 00
Recommendations
MB-Freigabe 229.5, BMW Longlife-01, Ford WSS-M2C937-A, Renault RN0700/RN0710
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Approvals
Porsche A40, VW 502 00, VW 505 00
Recommendations
MB-Freigabe 229.5, BMW Longlife-01, Ford WSS-M2C937-A, Renault RN0700/RN0710
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Isn't LL-01 obsolete?
No. It was recently updated.
Thanks. I don't follow the Euro specs much anymore since they don't apply to my situation.
It is thought that none of the 0w40s can meet the latest oxidation requirements of LL-01. They are still a great choice for your BMW though. If you want the LL-01 on the bottle there are a host of 5w40s available that still have it.
edyvw
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N51/52? You can use any MB229.5 oil. LL01 was updated in 2018 and oxidation requirements were drastically increased. Also, new N20 engine test is introduced. N51/52 are port injected and of all BMW engines since 2004, easiest on oil.
I used M1 0W40 in my N52 (on track too) now have Edge 0W30 in sump.
But, if youa re still hell bent on LL01, Pennzoil Platinum Euro 5W40 in Advance Auto parts or Valvoline 5W40 European Vehicle (pretty much everywhere available) are great options.
No 0WXX oil carries LL01 today.
edyvw
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No it was not replaced by LL04.
They are different oils for different use, but you by all means can use LL04.
Not MB2291, that is OLD spec. MB229.5!
You can use both M1 0W40 or Castrol 0W40. You will not make mistake.
See if these diagrams help a bit:
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/castrol-edge-0w-40-lost-ll-01.305599/post-5407090
Do you know if that's a full SAPS oil?
I edited to my post you quoted while you quoted it. Good information, thank you.
edyvw
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It has been discussed a lot in Euro section. That is where you will find a lot of info for your car.
Oxidation requirements were moved higher than before (and they were highest already among Euro approvals). Specific N20 test was introduced due to timing chain issues in those engines. Not sure what else. Maybe LSPI test, but that is just my speculation.
You do not have to worry about any of that in N51 engine.
If I had come across that thread you linked I would not have bothered posting my question. Thanks for the link.
Thanks. I think the N51 calls for a full-SAPS oil so either the Ravenol or the Castrol Edge 0W-40 should be fine.
Ravenol 0w40 SSL USVO seems to still carry LL-01 Certifications? I ordered it 6 months ago and it was LL01 still.
EDIT: just looked it up and it says recommended so you are right. Zero 0w40 in LL01 available.
from their US website
"RAVENOL Super Synthetik Öl SSL SAE 0W-40 is approved, tried and tested for aggregates specifying:
Specifications: API SN/CF, ACEA A3/B4
License: API SN
Approvals: MB-Approval 229.5, MB-Approval 226.5; Renault RN0700/RN0710; Porsche A40; VW 502 00 VW 505 00
Recommendations: BMW Longlife-01, MB 229.3; Fiat 9.55535-M2; Chrysler MS-12633, Chrysler MS-10725; Ford WSS-M2C937-A"
Now I don't really feel like putting the 0w40 SSL Ravenol into my M3 / M4 which I got bought on sale. Not that LL01 matters because LL04 is probably a better fit now, but old habits die hard.... Maybe I'll stick to using Castrol 0w40 (My goto oil last 15-20 years) or OEM BMW TPT 5w30.
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