Need advice fast on Volvo's(XC70 mostly)

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One cool feature is the adjustable ride height. As high as an MB or BMW SUV, that lowers below normal ride height for the highway. The XC is a fixed height. Full skid plates and metal rockers...etc. The twin-turbo V6 from the "S4" has virtually unlimited potential. I'd love to own one, but they suck gas.
 
Well F*** me! I spent all friggin' day at a dealer that had a good car I liked. A used(28,000 mile) Volvo XC70. They wanted $28,900 which is really high. My budget is $22K out the door and that is what I offered. The salesmen I feel did try to get my offer through but the owner said no way. They would only come down to $26,500 and tried everything to get me to buy it but I would not budge. Finally I got up to leave and I thought they would take my offer then but they still did not. They said they just don't have any room to go less......

I figured they had at least 10K to deal with but they insisted they only had less then 4K and were down to the line. So I left without a car.
 
Much better off. I think a rocking wagon now is a new Passat wagon. imo, at least look at one. Many configurations inc TDI (I think). otd price NEW is potentially in your range. Huge discounts for sure on the sedans...which works well at resale time. fwiw, VW switched to the same electrical harness and componet supplier as TOYOTA and Honda use. Frankly, it and the Jetta are the most new cars for the money.
 
As my name indicates, I'm a big fan of Volvos.

They are very similar to first-tier German models in one important respect - they are not inexpensive to keep. If you can barely afford to purchase a used one, move on.

There are few vehicles engineered to be as durable as a Volvo. I'm not talking just about the finer electromechanical components, but very fundamental items such as body integrity and major powertrain hard mechanicals. If you put the effort into maintenance, they can last forever, even the newer ones. Our '97 855 is right at 200k, and still runs and rides like a new vehicle.

Volvo does not historically make radical platform changes, and as another poster alluded to, the design strategy is one of continuing refinement of a core design across several model generations. By the later iterations, the vehicle is very refined and typically generally dependable.

They do have the very best seats in the industry, bar none. At cross country distances, few cars are more comfortable and refreshing for a high speed trek than a Volvo. And despite the recent parity of many competitors in testing, they are still the gold standard for safety in many little details. I've walked away from a major accident involving a Volvo where the car's crash features really did save me.

But durability and reliability are two entirely different things. Just like an Audi or BMW, they have their soft spots. The trick to being a long-term owner of a Volvo is to identify where those areas are, and deal with them proactively. The community of owners is good about keeping itself informed, and there is a large subculture of DIY owners. That philosophy, and regular fluid changes, are the keys to getting the multi-hundred thousand mile lives out of them.

But comparing one to a VW or Subaru is just plain ludicrous. I've owned and own both VWs and Volvos. And speaking to the VW in this political season: "you're no Volvo". The Jetta is a refreshing change, but many other VWs can be servicing disasters (and I've owned both types). Nor are they built with the same materials quality as a Volvo.

Almost $29k for a near 30k mile XC70 is too high. If you shop around, you can do much better. A better choice still, and perhaps even a better deal used, is a V70R. Avoid the early generation XC70s, which were prone to transfer case issues.

If you look at a turbo, the service records become more important. Volvo turbo engines are generally pretty reliable and have long lives when maintained.

But again, be prepared to pay to play. Even the venerable old 240s can be expensive to fix. If you are struggling with the purchase price, perhaps this brand is not for you.
 
Here is the schooling on Volvos from an owner of three.

Can't beat their safety. The older RWD are as easy to maintain as a bicycle. The newer Volvos match anything on the road for premium comfort and are as reliable as any Honda or Toyota and will beat Subaru hands down. The interior on my 2002 S40 looks better than most cars half its age and I'm lazy at cleaning, waxing, and such.

Here is the crux or the dirty little secret. Do your own work and you're fine. Otherwise, dealerships and shops will assume you like to spend money and try to take you for a ride. Be self-sufficient or don't be a sucker.
 
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Hi guys,
Thanks for the info!!! My 13 year old Tahoe died 2 days ago but I knew it was going to go so I have been researching a lot of cars. I really liked the Volvo XC70. It looks awesome and had incredable power for how heavy it is and everything about it screamed QUALITY made!!!
I found 2 XC70's at a dealer with a certified 100,000 mile warranty. A 2004 for $18,000 and a 2006 for $23,000. The 2004 has 45,000 miles and the 2006 has 30,000 miles on it. Both are mint and tight inside and out. I had the warranty and service history pulled for both and the only warranty claim between the 2 was one bad motor mount and all oil changes were done.

I bought them! One to replace my Tahoe and one to replace my Wifes Camaro as we are starting a familyand the Z28 is not a great mom car!!!

I also extended the warranty for another 2 years for $1,300. So I wont have to worrie about paying for any repairs for many years. Hopefully I made the right decission and these Volvos will serve me well and trouble free. They are the 1st foreign cars we ever bought so i have to relearn how to do maintenance on them. I'll post pictures next week.
 
You certainly like XCs!

Good luck and welcome to the fold. Check into Swedespeed, as there are plenty of nice fellow owners there.

If they were strictly dealer maintained, ARX them both. The factory service interval is 7,500. That's too long for the usual bulk tank conventional that most dealers pump into them. The turbos need better. Run a synthetic after the ARX treatment at 5,000 intervals.

The last gen XC70 is my second favorite late model Volvo, next to the Rs. Good car.
 
Originally Posted By: saaber1
2001 is the first "FORD" v70xc.


BTW, that's not quite correct. The last gen S60/V70 was the last pre-Ford designed Volvo model. As the model production wore on, the parts content slowly started to acquire a couple FoMoCo bin parts (my '06 has a few Ford branded electrical connectors underhood). But that's it. The core design is pure Swede. Other than funding, Ford has thoughtfully stayed out of Volvo's operations until recently.
 
Chris B,

Too late to edit my last reply, but I just noticed your location.

High altitude and cold winters. Those turbos and ICs are IDEAL for that climate.
 
Auto-Rx!!! I see the venue for the transaction is Colorado, and thus the somewhat premium pricing. I think you did better (2 vehicles at once?) definately with the '04, Crikey, $10K less for essentially the same vehicle!? Enjoy, I like wagons too.
 
Volvohead, what oil do these engines like? The dealer said they use Volvoline and don't use Synthetic because they leak......any truth to that?
 
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The dealer said they use Volvoline and don't use Synthetic because they leak......any truth to that?


Were his lips moving when he said that?

Good move on getting two of the same vehicle. It will simplify maintenance on your part.
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Originally Posted By: Chris B.
Volvohead, what oil do these engines like? The dealer said they use Volvoline and don't use Synthetic because they leak......any truth to that?


I responded in your PCMO thread.

In your XC70s, once you get everything cleaned up, you can run most mainstream synthetic 5 or 10w30s in them. Just keep the OCI at 5k, or extend further only after confirming used oil analysis.

I think a 5w-40 oil like RTS better still, but you may take a slight spool up (performance) and (very slight) mileage hit. I'm having extremely good success with RTS in our NA Volvo. If you've deep pockets, then you might look at oils such as Delvac 1, Mobil 1 0w-40, GC or Red Line 10w30 . . . but I think you may be buying more than you need with some of the latter ones.

But the two most important things: 5k OCI and synthetic only.
 
Originally Posted By: Chris B.
Volvohead, what oil do these engines like? The dealer said they use Volvoline and don't use Synthetic because they leak......any truth to that?


Someone at the dealer was smoking crack during class.
Volvo as early as at least my 97 960's owners manual recommends using a synthetic oil. I run synthetic in both my Volvo's. A 87 740 wagon with 363K miles and a 97 960 with 94K miles and neither leaks oil. I change the 960 once a year and the 740 every five thousand miles and have never had to add oil. Both are filled at the moment with Mobil 1 10w30.
 
I agree with Volvohead regarding synthetics.

Volvo factory fill is a Castrol 0W30 ACEA A5/B5 oil used to be called Volvo R-tech now it is called SLX Professional Longtec for Volvo Cars A5/B5 this oil is thinner than GC more like Mobil 0W30.

Volvo recommends 0W30, 0W40 or 5W40 I use GC with 4oz ARX and change it every 5K.

Volvo part number 1161648 Angle Gear oil API GL5, BOT (low foaming) full synthetic oil. I change this every 30K.

5 and 6 Speed Automatic Transmissions AW55 (5 speed) TF80-SC (6 speed) use JWS 3309. I use Redline D4 ATF and do a complete flush every 20K.

Rear differential oil API GL5, low friction Volvo part number 1161620. I use Redline 75W90 NS since Volvo specifies that their oil is mineral base.

I tried Delvac 1 ESP and got a mileage hit of 2MPG (from 24 to 22) I could not feel any power difference. This is on a 2004 V70R with 65K

I use one of the old VADIS programs on a laptop and reset transmission adaptation and fluid counter every time I do a transmission service.

The dealer said they use Volvoline and don't use Synthetic because they leak......any truth to that?
Maybe he should tell Volvo not to use synthetics from factory.
 
My neighbor's wife INSISTED that they buy a Volvo V70 2wd when they became grandparents the 1st time: this was so "her babies" would "always be safe when they rode with Gramma"...

Long story short: per my neighbor, what a horrible car...

Absolutely the WORST car he has ever owned (this guy had a Fairmont with a 2.3 for a decade): everything electrical that can go wrong did, a couple times! Have to replace an entire door panel to fix a broken fastener that causes a rattle. 2 1/2 hours labor (@ $75 per) to replace a $45.00 electrical part, etc.
 
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