My friend got his license at 15 was a Naval, Aviator and retired an airline captain.Well I flew a singe engine - I don't think I could do a Jet. I may have better odds lol but I know my limits. Thank you!
My friend got his license at 15 was a Naval, Aviator and retired an airline captain.Well I flew a singe engine - I don't think I could do a Jet. I may have better odds lol but I know my limits. Thank you!
Got the license. Did the solo.
Ok, how many hours of firearms training does an A.M. get during their training? What is the required score to pass? Adjust appropriately. And there aren't nearly that many of them already up in the air if there isn't randomly 1 in 4 aircraft with someone on board who could defend and save the plane. And I don't want anyone innocent hurt but I XXX times that much don't want an entire plane and XXX people killed when it could have been prevented.That’s not nearly enough training, they’re going to hit innocent bystanders. The plane is crowded. Check out the marksmanship and training of FAMs.
Further, it provides a path for a “mole” to being a firearm onto a plane.
There needs to be a lot more rigor before allowing someone other than a sworn LEO to carry on a plane.
The plane itself is a WMD, as clearly proven by 9-11.
You cannot concealed carry as a civilian into a nuclear power plant, onto a military base, or anywhere else where one would have access to WMD.
There are already armed individuals on board many of our airplanes. They’re the FFDOs. They are far more common than FAMs. Sworn LEOs already carry on planes. No passenger is informed of any of those individuals. Perhaps that is why you think this need exists.
The deterrent level is high enough without opening up this can of worms.
Their vision isn't good enough in many cases. That's what stopped me 40 years ago.You know what’s funny - is we have a shortage, are willing to train people, and we start pilots at about $100,000/year.
So, why aren’t more of these folks, who are convinced they could do it already, applying?
The Air Marshals train for over a year, every day. So, let’s call the training 2,000 hours. It’s not just how to shoot, it’s when. No civilian is going to come close to those guys. Particularly on the when.Ok, how many hours of firearms training does an A.M. get during their training? What is the required score to pass? Adjust appropriately. And there aren't nearly that many of them already up in the air if there isn't randomly 1 in 4 aircraft with someone on board who could defend and save the plane. And I don't want anyone innocent hurt but I XXX times that much don't want an entire plane and XXX people killed when it could have been prevented.
Yes, I'm sure those two things are a portion of what the training encompasses. Along with a LOT of other things beyond that. Some of which isn't required when the plane is already hijacked. How many of the people in the 4 planes might have voted yes to my suggestion? And there's probably a difference between how many times we know of that an A.M. has been needed and how many times they acted and we never knew.The Air Marshals train for over a year, every day. So, let’s call the training 2,000 hours. It’s not just how to shoot, it’s when. No civilian is going to come close to those guys. Particularly on the when.
Let’s examine this for a different angle.
Since 9-11, how many times have Air Marshals, or armed LEOs, been needed?
Given the number of times they have had to engage a target (zero), why take the risk of expanding the number of armed individuals?
A lot of risk in your proposal, as previously discussed, but there isn’t a need for it.
There's a plane full of passengers. If an AM was on the scene, it's news.Yes, I'm sure those two things are a portion of what the training encompasses. Along with a LOT of other things beyond that. Some of which isn't required when the plane is already hijacked. How many of the people in the 4 planes might have voted yes to my suggestion? And there's probably a difference between how many times we know of that an A.M. has been needed and how many times they acted and we never knew.
Never have the fish on a plane!I'll have the fish.
I disagree. I00 hours of advanced training does not include practice. I can say that anyone that gets NRA Personal defense Inside the home, Outside the home, CCW, and Defensive Pistol Courses with a competent NRA Instructor knows what they are doing and that is 40+ hours. I have had all of them at least twice plus Law enforcement training. To complete those courses requires quite a bit of extra practice.That’s not nearly enough training, they’re going to hit innocent bystanders. The plane is crowded. Check out the marksmanship and training of FAMs.
I see what you did there!One CFI I had said, "If you've lost the horizon, you've lost it".
I dated a trim, muscular FA for a while. I love f-f-flying.
You’re missing the most important part of being an Air Marshall - it’s not about marksmanship, it’s about when to shoot.I disagree. I00 hours of advanced training does not include practice. I can say that anyone that gets NRA Personal defense Inside the home, Outside the home, CCW, and Defensive Pistol Courses with a competent NRA Instructor knows what they are doing and that is 40+ hours. I have had all of them at least twice plus Law enforcement training. To complete those courses requires quite a bit of extra practice.
Here is the Firearm part of the test. Total of 30 shots. All at 7 yards.
An Official Journal Of The NRA | Federal Air Marshal Qualification: Test Your CCW Skills
Created for the Federal Air Marshal Service, the Tactical Pistol Course is an excellent source of training for the armed citizen.www.shootingillustrated.com
Not easy but certainly not that difficult with a bit of practice. Someone competent in the four NRA courses above (40 hours) can certainly pass this test.
Glad I saw this. I will take this test April 1st with my instructor.
The issue isn't shooting when it's obvious. The issue is Joe Random CCW pulling his weapon when it's not obvious or needed. Like when someone refuses to buckle up or turn their cell phone off and Joe Random thinks that he needs to save the day.I'm sure in each of the 4 planes it was absolutely 100% obvious when to shoot. And there are any number of excellent centers who can provide training equal to if not surpassing what the A.M. receive. And frankly I see zero difference in an FBI checked and authorized individual who scores higher than xx% and a regular Joe who went through the A.M. academy, mainly because there is none. And I'd count on the FBI to week out the terrorists. We could also secure our borders and eliminate most of them.
The issue isn't shooting when it's obvious. The issue is Joe Random CCW pulling his weapon when it's not obvious or needed. Like when someone refuses to buckle up or turn their cell phone off and Joe Random thinks that he needs to save the day.