NDE'S

[buster]

Link

This is a subject that has always fascinated me. I just finished this book, and really liked it. I highly recommend it. Pretty convincing case, and I'm a very big skeptic and science minded person.

Keeping it short and simple: he tackles all the questions you could think of and comes across, to me, as extremely honest, reliable and objective.

 

[JHZR2]

Havent read it, but when I first heard of this book, it struck me as being sold that since the author was a neurosurgeon, they somehow were better versed and more respectable than other authors. Maybe that has a semblance of truth, but it just strikes me as selling it that way a bit too much.

 

[d00df00d]

Anyone can sound credible and trustworthy; delivering the goods is another matter entirely. It sounds like the author hasn't even touched the most basic criticism to which ALL reports of NDEs are vulnerable: feeling something (in this case leaving your body) is not the same as that thing actually happening.

Could anyone OUTSIDE the victim's body verify that something moved outside the body and came back in? Could anyone demonstrate that that thing has anything to do with consciousness?

It's all well and good that this guy has some credentials and comes across as believable, but so do a lot of hucksters and con artists. He may truly believe he experienced something real, but it sounds like he's giving us no reason to believe it ourselves.

 

[JHZR2]

That may be too extreme the other way. There are lots of people with a ton of faith that there is something more, and I'm not going to belittle them based upon "proof" as we know how to discern or measure.

But I'm not going to have faith from the angle of "I'm a doctor, you can believe me".

 

[buster]

All I'm going to say is read it. Believe me, I'm a huge skeptic.

 

[d00df00d]

Originally Posted By: JHZR2
That may be too extreme the other way. There are lots of people with a ton of faith that there is something more, and I'm not going to belittle them based upon "proof" as we know how to discern or measure.

What's extreme or belittling about what I said?

 

[LTVibe]

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While his body lay in coma, Alexander journeyed beyond this world and encountered an angelic being who guided him into the deepest realms of super-physical existence. There he met, and spoke with, the Divine source of the universe itself.

That sounds wonderful, and I would love to believe Alexander is telling the truth. But this is something I would have to experience for myself.

What's frustrating is that someone has to have a traumatic NDE to encounter the "Divine source of the universe itself". It would be helpful if everyone could know the 'truth' of Alexander's revelation without going through all the trauma.

 

[buster]

Just read it before you make your judgement about him or his experience. Of course I too would have to experience it to truly believe it, but I personally do believe him. He covers everything in great detail about his entire experience and skepticism of NDE's and afterlife itself. It's a quick read and inexpensive.

 

[SteveSRT8]

Every single one of us will get to PERSONALLY verify this information!

So relax and enjoy the ride. It really doesn't matter what we think....

 

[buster]

LOL true! I'm just suggesting the book because it's very interesting.

 

[javacontour]

No matter where you are in your views on this debate, you are relying on faith. Faith in science, faith in the experiment, faith in the data, faith in the experience, faith in a supreme being, or simply faith that you are right.

In all these cases, it comes down to faith.

 

[d00df00d]

Originally Posted By: javacontour
No matter where you are in your views on this debate, you are relying on faith. Faith in science, faith in the experiment, faith in the data, faith in the experience, faith in a supreme being, or simply faith that you are right.

In all these cases, it comes down to faith.

If that's true, then those are 6 different kinds of faith with 6 different kinds of implications.

 

[andyd]

Yeah yeah, I had some pretty strange dreams myself. Especially when I was spiking 105f with pneumonia. I'm still here and so is the author. Some NDEs are closer than others.

 

[buster]

Again read it. He knows all this. LOL. He is fully aware of dreams, NDE's, and even one chapter is dedicated to his scientific explanation of it.

Science doesn't have a full grasp of consciouness. Whether you believe it's true or not is up to you. I'm just suggesting giving this guy's view a chance. He's no dummy and the book will address most if not all of your preconceived views/questions.

People that know me know that I'm not fan of religion etc.

 

[JHZR2]

Originally Posted By: d00df00d
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
That may be too extreme the other way. There are lots of people with a ton of faith that there is something more, and I'm not going to belittle them based upon "proof" as we know how to discern or measure.

What's extreme or belittling about what I said?


I said I'm not going to belittle them. But you have to admit that tends to be the next logical step when one doesn't agree with one's belief, religious, or otherwise.

 

[MarkStock]

KevGuy is writing a book about this topic.

It's called:

Don't Fear the Orange Can (of Death)

 

[buster]

The other side has to be careful not to be as militant as the other.

 

[uc50ic4more]

Originally Posted By: d00df00d
Originally Posted By: javacontour
No matter where you are in your views on this debate, you are relying on faith. Faith in science, faith in the experiment, faith in the data, faith in the experience, faith in a supreme being, or simply faith that you are right.

In all these cases, it comes down to faith.

If that's true, then those are 6 different kinds of faith with 6 different kinds of implications.


How could it NOT be true? If something can be proved absolutely, no one needs faith at all. Faith is what you have in the absence of certainty, whether it's in an idea or instituion or a flying spaghetti monster. .

 

[Cutehumor]

Thanks for the link Buster.

I had a NDE back in 2010. A post "NDE" after leaving the hospital if there is such a word for that.

 

[TooManyWheels]

Originally Posted By: LTVibe

What's frustrating is that someone has to have a traumatic NDE to encounter the "Divine source of the universe itself". It would be helpful if everyone could know the 'truth' of Alexander's revelation without going through all the trauma.



I attended a lecture by a similarly credentialed and believable person who described going to the wilderness of South America in order to practice their special herb-based spirituality. For what it is worth, she described the exact same experience. I'm not being snarky here, just relating a different story with a similar result.