Nation wide cpl license?

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Originally Posted By: Vern_in_IL
I don't want some foreigner concealing firearms, this is my home state, I should have the upper hand.


Instead all you have is criminals possessing firearms. None of the law abiding good guys has firearms, because that is illegal.

When will you guys grow up, use some critical thinking and analytical though processes, realize that the world is not all rainbows and puppy kisses? Guys that think like you are a freaking joke. I would laugh in your face. It's not too late to get educated and learn some things.
 
You will never have New York, Illinois,New Jersey or California, following any laws by the FEDS in regards to gun control. The states I mention have practically outlawed guns.

As far as the state I am in-they want as little interference from the FEDS as possible.
 
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Originally Posted By: Whitewolf
Originally Posted By: Robenstein
Here is the way I see it...we have a second amendment in our Bill of Rights. We also have a 14 amendment that was created to make sure that states do not try to limit the fundamental rights of citizens enumerated in that very Bill of Rights. I am surprised that more gun cases do not use this very argument for the second amendment. It has been used many times to defend other amendments of the Bill of Rights.



So, why isn't that used for more gun cases? The way that you put it seems to be crystal clear and totally unambiguous.


No idea. If you study the era of reconstruction several states in the south tried everything they could to limit the basic rights of newly freed slaves through state and local laws. That was the motivation behind the 14th Amendment. To ensure that the recently enfranchised population of freed slaves had basic rights of free speech, freedom of assembly, due process, and the ability to vote, etc. Of course the big civil liberties advocates at the ACLU will argue for just about every single right in the Bill of Rights except the second amendment, being what I like to call cafeteria constitutionalists....they pick and choose what to put on their plates.
 
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Originally Posted By: CKN
You will never have New York, Illinois,New Jersey or California, following any laws by the FEDS in regards to gun control. The states I mention have practically outlawed guns.

As far as the state I am in-they want as little interference from the FEDS as possible.

I can't speak for IL, NJ, or CA.

NY has some downright stupid gun laws (cough, NY-SAFE, cough), but in many counties it is not difficult to get a carry permit... practically shall-issue. My own county has a very long turnaround time (12 months plus lately!) but I've never heard of someone getting denied by a judge. NYC is a different story.
 
Originally Posted By: Vern_in_IL
[censored] no.

Hoosiers just angry cause they have to go to Illinois to retest and pay us money so they can Conceal carry here. Want to CC in this state? Then you need to test here.

Every State should be like that. I don't want some foreigner concealing firearms, this is my home state, I should have the upper hand.


Foreigner? As in someone from Utah, Texas, Maryland, Florida, or North Dakota?

...Really?
 
Originally Posted By: bubbatime
I'm very for nationwide concealed carry. I carry a gun every single day here in sunny Florida for personal protection.
You really think they'd pass a law that allows you to take your current license and travel all over the country with your gun? Get real. What are you willing to give up or jump though? I'm not willing to give up or jump though anything. Too easy to simple avoid the handful of states. If you live in one of those states, move. If you're not willing to help yourself...
 
Originally Posted By: Vern_in_IL
[censored] no.

Hoosiers just angry cause they have to go to Illinois to retest and pay us money so they can Conceal carry here. Want to CC in this state? Then you need to test here.

Every State should be like that. I don't want some foreigner concealing firearms, this is my home state, I should have the upper hand.


Nice. Here in Arizona any citizen in good standing can carry a legal firearm any way he chooses. No permit needed. As is should be. You really consider a resident of another state a foreigner? From the sounds of things you should give us foreigners a firearm when they enter your great state.
 
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When the the Supreme court rules that colncealed carry cannot be denied then the 14 Ammendment Incorporation clause could be applied allowing carry from any State to another. But the trick is that you will never see carry without restrictions....meaning States wil always be able to have some measure of control. And that totally kills "Incorporation" and hence total reciprocity.

Be happpy the way the system is now. If you have your CCWP in your own state you can plan your trip and avoid States that do not participate (if that is important to you)
 
Originally Posted By: bradepb
I am pretty much against involving the Feds. If anything maybe a law requiring all sates to honor other states licence.


+1 many states are now agreeing to honor out of state licenses. But don't forget the second amendment was written to allow citizens to protect themselves against foreign invaders and the government.
 
I would hazzard to say that there are more deaths caused by automobiles than guns. Perhaps states need to refuse to honor the drivers licenses of those states that do not honor their CC licenses. And driving is a privilege, not a right. Think of the chaos. But state rights, right? The right to self defense should not be restricted by crossing a state line. We have little or nothing to fear by citizens exercising those rights. What is the government doing wrong when It feels a need to fear its citizens?
 
I don't want a national license, but a law recognizing all other states carry permits like they do drivers license would be pretty simple.
 
Originally Posted By: whip
I don't want a national license, but a law recognizing all other states carry permits like they do drivers license would be pretty simple.


+1000, just like drivers licenses
 
Originally Posted By: otis24
I would hazzard to say that there are more deaths caused by automobiles than guns.


No guess at all it's not even close, unless you include warfare.
 
Last I checked the Supreme Court ruled the Second Amendment to be an individual right. Therefore it validated we not only have a right to keep arms, but to bear them. Concealed carrying is indeed "bearing arms". I think therefore it could be argued that the 14 amendment applies. I am not arguing for a national carry license, but if you have one in one state, it should be good in all the others. The state would still issue it, but like a drivers license you can use it anywhere in the united states.

Of course we all know NY, CA, and IL would fight it tooth and nail. Sadly, I cannot plan my trips around some states, some of my best friends live in the Peoples Republic of Kalifornia.
 
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Originally Posted By: NateDN10
Originally Posted By: CKN
You will never have New York, Illinois,New Jersey or California, following any laws by the FEDS in regards to gun control. The states I mention have practically outlawed guns.

As far as the state I am in-they want as little interference from the FEDS as possible.

I can't speak for IL, NJ, or CA.

NY has some downright stupid gun laws (cough, NY-SAFE, cough), but in many counties it is not difficult to get a carry permit... practically shall-issue. My own county has a very long turnaround time (12 months plus lately!) but I've never heard of someone getting denied by a judge. NYC is a different story.
California has down right stupid people.
 
I just found out Friday Washington State no longer recognizes the Utah permit only. Just got my renewal notice for my Utah permit and it states this in the renewal letter. So now I wonder how long I've been carrying without the proper permit. I know when I originally took the Utah permit class you should call in a few times per yr to see if your state still recognizes Utah...I didn't do that.
 
Blaze-Utah quit renewing Missouri residents too, I was in the same boat and ended up getting a Missouri permit.
 
Yea I'm going in tomorrow to get the paperwork for the Washington permit. Its probably all about the money I would assume that they were missing when these Utah permits became the rage here.
 
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