NAPA Full Synthetic

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Some people feel that NAPA syn. is not identical to Valvoline syn. Looking at the SN versions on PQIA shows a similar if not identical additive package but the cold weather numbers suggest differences in base oil make-up. Having said that...I'd use NAPA syn. without hesitation.
I've actually called VALVOLINE/ASHLAND and have spoken with their engineering dept in this regard. They did confirm that the other oils that ASHLAND blends for other brands are indeed slightly different than the VALVOLINE oils. However, these other blended oils are very good products to be used without concern.
 
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There's a NAPA about 6 miles from my house that l refuse to go to anymore. They really only want to cater to the local farmers, and their prices are outrageous!
The next NAPA is in town (16.5 miles). These people are top notch and go above and beyond to help you. Being l'm a disabled Veteran, they always give me 15% off. ;)
Just 15% off? They should be smart enough to know when you are buying for yourself, and then give you the stuff for free !
 

pbm

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I now run filters one oil change interval which is 5000-7500 miles but in the '88 Escort I use to drive I often only changed it every other oil change on 5K mile oil change intervals. That engine went 518K miles and was still running when I parked it.
That's a lot of miles (518k) on a CVH....how many timing belts?....did it ever drop a valve seat?
 
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That's a lot of miles (518k) on a CVH....how many timing belts?....did it ever drop a valve seat?
I usually changed the timing belt approximately every 100K miles since it was a non interference engine. I did have one belt break prematurely with only a few thousand miles on it, less than 20K miles IIRC. This was an '88 so it was before the era of dropped valve seats which started with the 2nd generation Escort and continued through the 3rd generation and into the Focus SOHC engines. Including the belt that broke prematurely and the one that I'd put on it at around 500K miles I'd say it probably went through about 6-7 belts. In all those miles the head was never off of it. I've got an '02 Escort with the 2.0L SOHC engine that I've had since 2008 and 80K miles. It currently has 206K miles has had the timing belt changed once since I bought it and hasn't dropped a valve seat yet. The engine has never been overheated which increases the likelihood of the valve seats dropping. I was little late on changing the timing belt on the 02 and didn't get to it until about 125K miles so I'll probably try to do it again at around 225K if I'm still driving it then.
 
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I have a neighbor,..

With a red Ford Escort from the latest 80s...


And that car had 1,000,000 miles plus on it.....

Orginal motor and transmission....

It was his mom's car that she had used to deliver papers.

That was amazing to learn when I asked him about the car.
 

pbm

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I had a 2002 ZX-2 with the Zetec 2.0....a nice little engine that was capable of doing very high mileage if the timing belts were changed. It's weak point was the transmission IMO. I sold it at about 100k
I now have a 14' Focus with the Duratec (a great engine IMO)....fortunately I have the 5 speed M/T....the DCT was garbage...Ford should be ashamed for selling it. My Focus has 53k totally trouble free miles. I hope to take it beyond 200k.
 
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NAPA has their Full Synthetic on sale in our area for $15.50 for 5qt jug. I've used Mobil-1 for 20 years, buying the 5qt jug from Walmart for ~$25. NAPA is bottled by Valvoline. Anyone use NAPA or Valvoline? Its a big price savings.
All the threads I've read about NAPA synthetic oil says it's Valvoline synthetic with a slightly weaker additive package (blended to Napa's specs), but it still has the Dexos approval so I'm sure it is good oil and a great value.

I have a neighbor,..

With a red Ford Escort from the latest 80s...

And that car had 1,000,000 miles plus on it.....

Original motor and transmission....

It was his mom's car that she had used to deliver papers.

That was amazing to learn when I asked him about the car.
Did this Escort run Napa motor oil?
 
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Virginia
Valvoline Advanced Synthetic 5w30 is my go-to -- and the recent reformulation (SP) is probably their best yet. Not certain that formulation extends to the version they bottle for NAPA.
 
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Dingmans Ferry, PA
On my second 6K OCI with NAPA full syn on my new-to-me 2016 Impreza - (grabbed a sale with Gold filters back in Dec). Seems OK, but needed a bit over 1/2 quart near end of the cycle. I have two jugs of my usual M1 HM 0W-20 on tap next, which never seemed to burn off in my now deceased 2014 Crosstrek. The manual trans in this (133K now) car has my 65 mi each way commute at 3K rpm the whole way, with very little around town driving.
Mike B
 

pbm

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On my second 6K OCI with NAPA full syn on my new-to-me 2016 Impreza - (grabbed a sale with Gold filters back in Dec). Seems OK, but needed a bit over 1/2 quart near end of the cycle. I have two jugs of my usual M1 HM 0W-20 on tap next, which never seemed to burn off in my now deceased 2014 Crosstrek. The manual trans in this (133K now) car has my 65 mi each way commute at 3K rpm the whole way, with very little around town driving.
Mike B
A 1/2 a qt. down after nearly 6K isn't too bad and that usage may even diminish as the Subie acclimates to the oils formula. How did your 2014 Crosstrek 'die'?...Knowing the Dingmans Ferry area...I'll take a guess that you hit a deer?
 
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A 1/2 a qt. down after nearly 6K isn't too bad and that usage may even diminish as the Subie acclimates to the oils formula. How did your 2014 Crosstrek 'die'?...Knowing the Dingmans Ferry area...I'll take a guess that you hit a deer?
Yes after being on here for more than 3 days there are people that would kill for that minimal consumption of oil.
 

joepinehill

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A Briggs-Stratton engine will run almost forever on any type of motor oil.
Filtration is key for modern engines. For older engines, beefy parts and loose tolerances and low rpm will make it run forever. How many old tractor engines from 1930's still run today on OEM hardware?
I restore old Gravely tractors. Same can be said for old Kohlers and Gravely engines. When you take an old Gravely apart, you see how oversized every bearing is, with proper oil maintenance, they'll last several owner lifetimes.
 
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I've actually called VALVOLINE/ASHLAND and have spoken with their engineering dept in this regard. They did confirm that the other oils that ASHLAND blends for other brands are indeed slightly different than the VALVOLINE oils. However, these other blended oils are very good products to be used without concern.
Right, this is what I’ve read on this site as well...good oil but not as good as Valvoline.

The question is have is, has NAPA changed their house synthetic formula like Valvoline did with their synthetic additive package? Valvoline used to be a heavy sodium additive oil and low moly. They have since changed that to high moly, low sodium...did Napa do the same?
 
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Right, this is what I’ve read on this site as well...good oil but not as good as Valvoline.

The question is have is, has NAPA changed their house synthetic formula like Valvoline did with their synthetic additive package? Valvoline used to be a heavy sodium additive oil and low moly. They have since changed that to high moly, low sodium...did Napa do the same?


Valvoline switched to a moly/titanium/boron package a few years ago. There is no sodium at all now.
 
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Dingmans Ferry, PA
A 1/2 a qt. down after nearly 6K isn't too bad and that usage may even diminish as the Subie acclimates to the oils formula. How did your 2014 Crosstrek 'die'?...Knowing the Dingmans Ferry area...I'll take a guess that you hit a deer?
Yep, Rt 84. 😥👎

Mike B
 

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