naggy neighbors annoy home mechanic

[aquariuscsm]

Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Originally Posted By: Mr Nice
JHZR2,

You probably live in an old nicer community without HOA.... not the traditional cookie cutter newer communities with mandatory HOA.

My brother's HOA left a note on his door that his grass was too tall and needed to be cut or the HOA would hire landscaper to cut grass and bill him $200



I wouldn't live anyplace that the homes were built after WWII. Other than a beach house...


I too LOVE older homes. Mid century modern-art deco homes (1950s to early 1970s) are my favorites. I just can't find one that's not super expensive.

 

[Andrew1972]

HOA seem to be more prevalent outside of New England. Once guess I have is generally property tends to self regulate for the most part due to expensive land costs especially desirable areas. You get dumps however for the most part folks keep yards up.

 

[grampi]

Originally Posted By: whip
Originally Posted By: grampi
HOAs....stay away from them, they're nothing but trouble...enough said...

HOAs aren't the problem. The problem are people that move into a neighborhood with an HOA and thinking the rules don't apply to them. It's simple, read the rules before you buy. If you can't live with the rules, don't move there.


Which is exactly why I won't live in one...it's MY property and only I will decide what to do, or not do with it...

 

[grampi]

Originally Posted By: andrewg
Originally Posted By: whip
Originally Posted By: grampi
HOAs....stay away from them, they're nothing but trouble...enough said...

HOAs aren't the problem. The problem are people that move into a neighborhood with an HOA and thinking the rules don't apply to them. It's simple, read the rules before you buy. If you can't live with the rules, don't move there.


I 100% agree.

The reason HOA's exist at all is because of people that have made living in once decent communities, less than ideal.


HOAs aren't needed. If you don't want the rif raf living in your neighborhood, then you need to make more money so you can live in a neighborhood the rif raf can't afford...besides, most places have ordinances against most of the undesirable things that home owners can do, and all the other stuff like dictating what color your house can be, or how big the shutters can be is just unnecessary B S...

 

[blupupher]

Originally Posted By: grampi


HOAs aren't needed. If you don't want the rif raf living in your neighborhood, then you need to make more money so you can live in a neighborhood the rif raf can't afford...besides, most places have ordinances against most of the undesirable things that home owners can do, and all the other stuff like dictating what color your house can be, or how big the shutters can be is just unnecessary B S...

What an ignorant view. There are "rif-raf" in every socio-economic group. And no, "most" places don't have ordinances against undesirable things. Many areas do not have zoning and such (which is just the government acting the same as an HOA, telling you what you can and can not do).
As for house colors, I don't want a neighbor that has a green, pink, orange and brown house. I don't want a neighbor that has wood rotting and rodents running around their property because they don't do maintenance and lawn care. I don't want neighbors parking their cars in the yard (in a suburban neighborhood). Looks like poop. All this effects MY property value because they choose to live like slobs. It does not matter if you live in a $50,000 house or a $500,000 house, you can have neighbors like this.
In non-incorporated areas, you have no recourse (except, as you say, make even more money and move somewhere else that can have the same problem). HOA can be a very good thing, but I do agree some are very totalitarian in nature.
The HOA I have is not bad. Sure I get an occasional letter that I need to mow my yard (usually just after I have mowed it, and it needed to be done) or I just recently got one that I needed to remove a tree stump (has been in the yard for a year, just have not gotten around to removing it, but did a few weeks ago finally, again, it needed to be done). But then again, if I have problems with them, I go to the HOA meetings and address them there.
I just painted my house without their permission, but did it in "normal" colors (blue/grey main color, light grey trim), although I did break the rule of no more than 2 colors (I have a red door). Sure I could have submitted the colors to them, waited 2 months for approval before painting, but I did not want to wait, I had wood repair happening and wanted it done (and could have gotten a letter about unpainted wood

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And how the heck did this thread get turned into a HOA discussion, it has nothing to do with the problem that the original post was about.

 

[bmwjohn]

this is a propaganda war, the actual facts are irrelevant. First make sure your house looks good from the street. Take a picture(s) to make sure, black and white also as it often looks worse. Anything outside? Car covers, fences, tidy, hidden? Neighborhood association? Participate and / or run. Know where complainers work or go to church or school? Can your friends complain to their friends or family or boss? Most bosses don't want employees who drag employer down. Controversy is a bad word. Strike back? Detective screening? Everybody has something in their history, no matter how trivial, that they don't want discussed. Pay $100 to find out. Any zoning violations? Taxes underappraised? Work the polls? Write your local representatives? Make it a regular thing, as in we follow your career for years. Be nice to your other neighbors. Several years ago we had bad winter, I took old but usable battery, put it in plastic case, added trickle charger, big and nice cables, gloves, goggles, jumped several people at work, didn't make any enemies from it. I'll bet you have such in the garage. I suppose milk the wheelchair / crippled theme, but you might not want to go there. free powder puff course on basics? Just thoughts.

 

[aquariuscsm]

Originally Posted By: grampi
Originally Posted By: andrewg
Originally Posted By: whip
Originally Posted By: grampi
HOAs....stay away from them, they're nothing but trouble...enough said...

HOAs aren't the problem. The problem are people that move into a neighborhood with an HOA and thinking the rules don't apply to them. It's simple, read the rules before you buy. If you can't live with the rules, don't move there.


I 100% agree.

The reason HOA's exist at all is because of people that have made living in once decent communities, less than ideal.


HOAs aren't needed. If you don't want the rif raf living in your neighborhood, then you need to make more money so you can live in a neighborhood the rif raf can't afford...besides, most places have ordinances against most of the undesirable things that home owners can do, and all the other stuff like dictating what color your house can be, or how big the shutters can be is just unnecessary B S...


Grampi hit it spot on. There are city codes to take care of people not maintaining their property. As to HOA's telling people what kind've trees,flowers,and shrubs to plant,what color their trim has to be,etc is just plain repulsive. Those cookie cutter neighborhoods are nothing more than large apartment complexes. It's just a huge congregation of programmed robots.

 

[aquariuscsm]

Plus on top of being told what to do,you have to pay them to be told what to do.

 

[grampi]

Originally Posted By: blupupher
What an ignorant view. There are "rif-raf" in every socio-economic group.


Shows what you know...there is no rif raf in my neighborhood and I don't live in an HOA...

 

[user52165]

It's too bad this thread has gone to an HOA discussion rather than the fate of Mr. Williams. Start your own thread, don't pollute the OP subject.

 

[blupupher]

Originally Posted By: aquariuscsm
Grampi hit it spot on. There are city codes to take care of people not maintaining their property. As to HOA's telling people what kind've trees,flowers,and shrubs to plant,what color their trim has to be,etc is just plain repulsive. Those cookie cutter neighborhoods are nothing more than large apartment complexes. It's just a huge congregation of programmed robots.


Not everyone lives in the city.

Originally Posted By: grampi
Originally Posted By: blupupher
What an ignorant view. There are "rif-raf" in every socio-economic group.


Shows what you know...there is no rif raf in my neighborhood and I don't live in an HOA...

I did not say there was rif-raf in every neighborhood, just every socio-economic group has them.
Originally Posted By: user52165
It's too bad this thread has gone to an HOA discussion rather than the fate of Mr. Williams. Start your own thread, don't pollute the OP subject.

Yes, your right, I am done with HOA discussion in this thread.

 

[turtlevette]

I always try and find a neighborhood where i'm the white trash.

 

[andrewg]

Originally Posted By: grampi
Originally Posted By: andrewg
Originally Posted By: whip
Originally Posted By: grampi
HOAs....stay away from them, they're nothing but trouble...enough said...

HOAs aren't the problem. The problem are people that move into a neighborhood with an HOA and thinking the rules don't apply to them. It's simple, read the rules before you buy. If you can't live with the rules, don't move there.


I 100% agree.

The reason HOA's exist at all is because of people that have made living in once decent communities, less than ideal.


HOAs aren't needed. If you don't want the rif raf living in your neighborhood, then you need to make more money so you can live in a neighborhood the rif raf can't afford...besides, most places have ordinances against most of the undesirable things that home owners can do, and all the other stuff like dictating what color your house can be, or how big the shutters can be is just unnecessary B S...


Has nothing to do with money. What you call "unnecessary B S"......is another reason why a well ran HOA can be a good thing.

 

[grampi]

Originally Posted By: andrewg
Has nothing to do with money. What you call "unnecessary B S"......is another reason why a well ran HOA can be a good thing.


Tell me what's good about someone telling me what color I can paint my house, or what kind of flowers I can grow.

 

[andrewg]

Originally Posted By: grampi
Originally Posted By: andrewg
Has nothing to do with money. What you call "unnecessary B S"......is another reason why a well ran HOA can be a good thing.


Tell me what's good about someone telling me what color I can paint my house, or what kind of flowers I can grow.


You really don't know the purpose of an HOA do you? You boil it don't to catch phrases and simplistic gripes...when it really has little to do with that.

First of all....NOBODY is forced to agree to live in an HOA. You are given a full disclosure of the contents of the governance BEFORE you sign it. Your signature is your agreement to the terms.

It always astounds me when people complain about an HOA...yet they agreed to the terms. There really isn't much you can say about that except that the individual is ignorant of what they agreed to.

HOA's started decades ago to allow people the option of choosing to live in a community of like-minded individuals that desired the same basic things. Attractive landscape (park like), mowed lawns, peaceful, clean appearance, and cars parked in driveways instead of the street. Many good HOA's also allow community members amenities that a local government could not afford....like pools and common areas. These are generally private and afford a level of security. Property values in a good HOA are also much more protected than in a regular neighborhood.

All that being said...it is a form of democracy. Elected officers and the ability to change and evolve the HOA into something the majority of the community agrees to. Funny thing is...most people will just complain and not run for the office. They'd rather complain and dare the HOA to fine them...even when they legally agreed to the contract.

 

[fdcg27]

My take on all of this is:

1. The guy probably is participating in the informal economy, as does just about every shop wrench. Most do side work at home.

2. These neighbors probably don't have lives. The should each get one.

3. People do this sort of thing in rural areas. It's just part of the culture. Anyone should know this.

4. There are those who just can't stand seeing someone else do well.

5. HOAs are for cookie-cutter subdivisions built since the mid-eighties, the kind where people who don't know any better buy houses. No high end neighborhood needs any such thing. As grampi pointed put, we don't need them in Ohio, although some newer subdivisions have them mainly to provide a perpetual income stream to the original developer. They're most popular in states like Texas that lack local zoning authority.

 

[Mr Nice]

Ohio is mostly middle class Caucasian folks...

I have family in Frisco, McKinney and Plano, TX and its almost impossible to find a non HOA community. But they want to live in nicer area of N TX, not the projects.

 

[grampi]

Originally Posted By: andrewg
Originally Posted By: grampi
Originally Posted By: andrewg
Has nothing to do with money. What you call "unnecessary B S"......is another reason why a well ran HOA can be a good thing.


Tell me what's good about someone telling me what color I can paint my house, or what kind of flowers I can grow.


You really don't know the purpose of an HOA do you? You boil it don't to catch phrases and simplistic gripes...when it really has little to do with that.

First of all....NOBODY is forced to agree to live in an HOA. You are given a full disclosure of the contents of the governance BEFORE you sign it. Your signature is your agreement to the terms.

It always astounds me when people complain about an HOA...yet they agreed to the terms. There really isn't much you can say about that except that the individual is ignorant of what they agreed to.

HOA's started decades ago to allow people the option of choosing to live in a community of like-minded individuals that desired the same basic things. Attractive landscape (park like), mowed lawns, peaceful, clean appearance, and cars parked in driveways instead of the street. Many good HOA's also allow community members amenities that a local government could not afford....like pools and common areas. These are generally private and afford a level of security. Property values in a good HOA are also much more protected than in a regular neighborhood.

All that being said...it is a form of democracy. Elected officers and the ability to change and evolve the HOA into something the majority of the community agrees to. Funny thing is...most people will just complain and not run for the office. They'd rather complain and dare the HOA to fine them...even when they legally agreed to the contract.


I know the purpose of HOAs, but many, if not most of them go too far, which is exactly why I won't live in one...I agree with you about the people who choose to live in an HOA knowing what the terms are, and then gripe and complain about them...that's just plain stupid...