Nagging suspicion about snow: breaks ye' car!

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I've wondered if the incidence of damaged vehicles were greater driving and struggling against the snow.

durring the Great Blizzard of 2010, I struggled to get out of the snow rocking forward and backward in frustration. Later, I had a nagging worry that I may have shortened my transmission's life. I think I may have :-(

and,

shamefully, I must say that I may have *intentionally* driven onto patches of ice/snow all for the low thrill of feeling the car slide and slip. sometimes, only one of the front wheel would slip, this seems to have caused the transmission to lurch forward.

Suspicion confirmed! (maybe)

http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/02/03/auto-repair-shops-reap-winters-bounty/?ref=automobiles

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This winter some repair shops are reporting one of their busiest periods in memory, largely on the dollars of drivers who, overeager to leave parking spaces that are hemmed in by ice and snow, apply too much gas and spin their wheels in forward and reverse gears. This can overload the transmission and damage pumps, bushings and housings throughout the engine.


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When a wheel is struggling to find traction on an icy surface, its speed greatly exceeds that of the vehicle. This imbalance, especially for a car with virtually no road speed — like one trying to leave an icy parking space — at minimum creates friction at crucial points within the transmission, and can even cause a bushing to break away entirely and become a high-speed projectile within the engine bay.

“If the bushing has fused or worn away, the oil pump is going to leak,” Mr. Delarea said. “About 75 percent of the winter repairs we’re doing are because of bushing-related oil leaks, and the other 25 percent are on fully broken planetary gears because people are overloading their transmissions.”
 
I'm not sure that the transmissions are being "overloaded". To the contrary, there's very little load on them with a spinning wheel. What's likely happening is the spider gears or other differential components are failing when one tire spins sufficiently faster than another. Rather than "overloading", I think it'd be more accurate to say that they're "overspeeding".
 
I'm not so sure the spinning itself is such a bad thing, but I've always been nervous about the shock applied to the drivetrain when that spinning wheel suddenly finds traction.
 
Man I always worry about this especially since my car is known for having weak transmission in earlier models...

Alas...sometimes you have to rock it a bit...

Easy does it. Easy as you can...
 
Originally Posted By: pottymouth
I'm not so sure the spinning itself is such a bad thing, but I've always been nervous about the shock applied to the drivetrain when that spinning wheel suddenly finds traction.


Good point there.
 
spinning your differential in low/no friction condition (e.g. 1 of the 2 driving wheels stuck in snow/mud or sand) will cause gear lube to cavitate and may lead to damage to your bearings.

Also: something will give if your spinning transmission+ differentials suddenly came into contact with a friction patch or similar.

Q.
 
I just sold a spare saturn transmission to someone who threw their differential pin. They're known to work loose when you spin one leg.

Now, a week later, and ironically, there's another one up for sale, that I suspect the same thing happened to.
 
Anyone experienced in winter driving knows that the way to get around isn't to light up the tires and hope you find some grip with a 60mph differential between tire and actual speed.

If it's really slippery, very light control application potentially in higher gears (to limit torque) is the way to get where you're going. If you're spinning on packed snow or ice you're just going to polish it until it's even more slippery and if you're in a deep snow build up you aren't going to dig down any better than a 5-10mph spin if at all.

I always chuckle at all the newscasts showing people who are stuck on ice with their driven wheels lit up and wailing and they're managing 1mph.

Slipping and sliding sideways or modest slip angles on snow shouldn't be that big a deal for the mechanicals. Use your head and your car will be fine...
 
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I guess what worries me more is the number of conversations lately I have overheard where someone says "oh no, I don't scrape ice, I just start the car, turn the defroster on, go inside and watch TV for half an hour and let it melt."

A half an hour? Of idling? Get real.

John
 
Originally Posted By: Craig in Canada
Anyone experienced in winter driving knows that the way to get around isn't to light up the tires and hope you find some grip with a 60mph differential between tire and actual speed.


Agreed. I see drivers doing that and just have to shake my head; I’m astonished that people think racing the engine and spinning the tires will get them anywhere.
 
Originally Posted By: John_K
I guess what worries me more is the number of conversations lately I have overheard where someone says "oh no, I don't scrape ice, I just start the car, turn the defroster on, go inside and watch TV for half an hour and let it melt."

A half an hour? Of idling? Get real.

John



I believe it`s called LAZINESS.
 
No, I called that the "perpetual ignorance".

Never seize to amaze me though..

just like those who blatantly disregard the need of snow tires under certain snow/road conditions. You pay for that decision and that is called "consequence".

Q.
 
It's not the snow, it's the way people treat their cars in it. Some peoples response to no traction is to just floor it. One of my good friends is simply horrible with every aspect of vehicle ownership, from maintenance to driving. If his Liberty starts spinning the tires in mud, he just floors it, usually getting the poor Jeep more stuck.

I've abused my vehicles in the snow a little, but only enough to cause maybe a little additional wear. The worst I do is tear through the empty overflow lots at the speedway (more snow there than on the roads and much safer). Usually when we get good snow there's a couple of other people out there sliding around. The fun is worth any extra wear.

The last time we got snow, I saw a cop pulling out of one of their substations with chains on his rear tires. There was still snow and ice in the parking lot, but the roads were mostly clear except for some slush. He spun his tires pulling out into the road and started fishtailing everywhere. I'm thinking he would have done the community more service by calling out that day.
 
Originally Posted By: John_K
I guess what worries me more is the number of conversations lately I have overheard where someone says "oh no, I don't scrape ice, I just start the car, turn the defroster on, go inside and watch TV for half an hour and let it melt."

A half an hour? Of idling? Get real.

John


My brother prescribes to this and it seems okay for his fleet of 10yr old+ vehicles with over 200k on them. The funny thing he not only has front but rear heated seats in his Saab. His reasoning is to warm car for kids.
 
Originally Posted By: steve20
On a fast spinning tire, I'd be worried about wheel bearing failure

Why? The wheels spin when you're driving too. Sure, if you're only spinning one it's going twice as fast as the speedo says but I don't think the first failure concern on the autobahns of Europe are wheel bearings, for instance.
 
Originally Posted By: mareakin
I've wondered if the incidence of damaged vehicles were greater driving and struggling against the snow.


What is this "snow" that y'all keep talkin' bout?
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Originally Posted By: bigdreama
Originally Posted By: mareakin
I've wondered if the incidence of damaged vehicles were greater driving and struggling against the snow.


What is this "snow" that y'all keep talkin' bout?
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Tell me about it,Were all tired of it up here in Yankee land rite about now.
 
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