Auto-Rx then after that is done switch her over to Redline.
My sister's 2000 Durango is FUBAR'ed!!
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I read somewhere that the oil fill cap on these engines does not seal well. When the car is running the oil cap allows moist air to enter which condenses in the tube and valve cover.
Be a good idea to replace the PCV regardles of milage and the Thermostat since they can fail at any milage.
Personally I would switch to a HDDEO such as Delo or Rotalla and change it every 3 months regardles of milage.
Didn't I hear Wallmart has Rotella 10w30 now?
Be a good idea to replace the PCV regardles of milage and the Thermostat since they can fail at any milage.
Personally I would switch to a HDDEO such as Delo or Rotalla and change it every 3 months regardles of milage.
Didn't I hear Wallmart has Rotella 10w30 now?
Castrol GTX isn't a bad oil
I've gone 192k miles on a hard driven BMW V8 with it.
You're sisters car needs a dose of Auto-RX maybe two, and a good synthetic and conventional changed very often at 2500 to 3000 miles because her car never gets upto operating temp.
I've gone 192k miles on a hard driven BMW V8 with it.
You're sisters car needs a dose of Auto-RX maybe two, and a good synthetic and conventional changed very often at 2500 to 3000 miles because her car never gets upto operating temp.
VNT, i started fighting with the 5.2 and 4.7L topic a few months ago.... don't even start. They are all set in thinking that those consumer reporting websites are 100% genuine sources. There are people on that site that don't even know the displacement of their engine. Some of those people think they have the 4.7L in a 2000 and some think they have a 5.2L in a 2001. The 5.9L was also an option in the Durango... I think it's just consumer negligence because there are people on JeepsUnlimited that don't have these problems AT ALL. If they did, 47,052 members of JeepsUnlimited would know about these problems.
FYI, THIS DURANGO DOESN'T HAVE THE 4.7L V8!! IT WASN'T AN OPTION UNTIL 2001!!!!
FYI, THIS DURANGO DOESN'T HAVE THE 4.7L V8!! IT WASN'T AN OPTION UNTIL 2001!!!!
5.2L Needs a PCV Valve every 36K miles according to my 95 Jeep manual.
"Complaint oriented webpages". Wouldn't a lot of complaints point to a problem?
And clearly it's not 100% of the 4.7's out there that have the problem. But it IS a much higher number than it should be.
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Anyone else catch this?
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Anyone else catch this?
This is way overboard and will do nothing for you. If you want to do a couple short OCI I'd use dino, synthetic isn't going to clean it out any better IMO. Switching to a 1000 mile OCI permentatenty is definately uneeded.
-T
Yes I caught that T-keith and I wrote:
As for the whole Chrysler thing - I didn't say the whole engine line is trash - Chrysler has had design issue...engines, transmissions, ball joints...but so has Toyota, GM.....sheesh.
Actually I am the one that assumed it was a 4.7 and started alot of this - so blame me for that.
But - it was an option in 2000, look for the N in the VIN# about near the middle. I was looking at getting one myself recently.
The TSB places a shield in the oil filler tube so that you don't see the milkshake that forms right there. For 99% of these motors this is not a problem, but if you drive 2 minutes to work in the winter and have 6 quarts of oil, then chances are the oil will never get hot enough, and that is the real problem.
I myself have a 97 Dakota over 160K miles, no problems but I live in Florida.
The real solution is..
How old is your sister? Possible to post a picture of her?
She needs a nice, handsome, BITOG MAN to take care of her. You taking care of sister's ride is commendable, but its a job for her significant other...
Post her picture, maybe a e-mail address...we will help ya take care of her..!!!
Just trying to help...
darrell
sin city
How old is your sister? Possible to post a picture of her?
She needs a nice, handsome, BITOG MAN to take care of her. You taking care of sister's ride is commendable, but its a job for her significant other...
Post her picture, maybe a e-mail address...we will help ya take care of her..!!!
Just trying to help...
darrell
sin city
Any engine can have a sludge issue if it is abused. I doubt this example has anything to do with the Castrol or the engine design.
As someone mentioned do you think if the 4.7 had an issue where they sludged up with decent maintenance, that 50,000 members on Jeeps Unlimited or 8000 + in Durango Owners Club, dont you think they would be screaming???
On this site I see a lot of generic comments and misinformation spread around and this issue with the 4.7 is another example. Note DC has made over 1 million of these 4.7's in the Jeeps, Durangos, Daks and Rams, so I am sure you could find some "complaint" related quotes on any website. If you have evidence and a tear down, show it if not it is just more rubbish. Basically, foam in filler tube has nothing to do with sludge and yes anyone who has a 4.7 will find the foam in the tube, especially in winter and short trip driving.
Per this thread we still do not even know which engine the person is referring to.
Per the 2000 Durango, 4.7 was std engine in 4x4 and 5.9 an option. 5.2 was std in 2wd
VNT
As someone mentioned do you think if the 4.7 had an issue where they sludged up with decent maintenance, that 50,000 members on Jeeps Unlimited or 8000 + in Durango Owners Club, dont you think they would be screaming???
On this site I see a lot of generic comments and misinformation spread around and this issue with the 4.7 is another example. Note DC has made over 1 million of these 4.7's in the Jeeps, Durangos, Daks and Rams, so I am sure you could find some "complaint" related quotes on any website. If you have evidence and a tear down, show it if not it is just more rubbish. Basically, foam in filler tube has nothing to do with sludge and yes anyone who has a 4.7 will find the foam in the tube, especially in winter and short trip driving.
Per this thread we still do not even know which engine the person is referring to.
Per the 2000 Durango, 4.7 was std engine in 4x4 and 5.9 an option. 5.2 was std in 2wd
VNT
VNT - Fair enough, I agree.
I still stand by the fact that if all is true - this amount of sludge should not have formed.
When it comes down to it, how much content of the WWW anecdotal? About 1% shy of 101%.
You will notice I never bashed Castrol.
I still stand by the fact that if all is true - this amount of sludge should not have formed.
When it comes down to it, how much content of the WWW anecdotal? About 1% shy of 101%.
You will notice I never bashed Castrol.
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Once again, our 2.0L with 5 quarts, and a higher efficiency design ought have less waste heat to the oil, and ought to have MORE of these problems. It does not, despite MANY
This is a USER issue. Negligence, lack of longer drives, lack of oil changes, driving it too hard while cold, etc., etc.
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VNT - your fellowship with Jeepers and the like is very wholesome and gives me that "group hug" kinda feeling (remembering what they do to members indoctrinated into POR
"..doing manly things that only men can do with other men"
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But ..it's just like here. We either know ..or find out. The vast majority of the rolling population is clueless. They only learn (maybe) by their mistakes.
Anyone can sabotage a perfectly good motor ..even the company that issues the OCI for some lame other reason.
(end rebuttal to thread hijack)
Pablo, I think the HDEO recommendation is because it has, allegedly, a higher abilitity to suspend particles. In this situation, an Auto-Rx treatment can easily produce more crap than one filter can hold and one oil can suspend.
If you don't elect to do an Auto-Rx treatment (it's not a natural act -but highly recommended) I would recommend, as others have, frequent OCIs until the situation is relieved. It is possible that there is no way to eliminate this accumulation with any practical expense ..and you just live with the consequences and hope time of ownership wins over service duty. That is, she gets rid of it before it shows itself too much.
Side note: If room permits, and this engine (whatever it is) has the room, I would highly recommend that she have an oil/water heat exchanger installed. It is a DC part # and is fitted on the 05 Caravan with the HD towing package. This will allow the coolant, in the few times that she actually warms up, to assist in warming the oil. Her cost should be less than $74 since that's the trade discounted costs.
But ..it's just like here. We either know ..or find out. The vast majority of the rolling population is clueless. They only learn (maybe) by their mistakes.
Anyone can sabotage a perfectly good motor ..even the company that issues the OCI for some lame other reason.
(end rebuttal to thread hijack)
Pablo, I think the HDEO recommendation is because it has, allegedly, a higher abilitity to suspend particles. In this situation, an Auto-Rx treatment can easily produce more crap than one filter can hold and one oil can suspend.
If you don't elect to do an Auto-Rx treatment (it's not a natural act -but highly recommended) I would recommend, as others have, frequent OCIs until the situation is relieved. It is possible that there is no way to eliminate this accumulation with any practical expense ..and you just live with the consequences and hope time of ownership wins over service duty. That is, she gets rid of it before it shows itself too much.
Side note: If room permits, and this engine (whatever it is) has the room, I would highly recommend that she have an oil/water heat exchanger installed. It is a DC part # and is fitted on the 05 Caravan with the HD towing package. This will allow the coolant, in the few times that she actually warms up, to assist in warming the oil. Her cost should be less than $74 since that's the trade discounted costs.
I have nothing against using an HDEO here - and maybe it may be of benefit prior to the AutoRx - but I still contend if it's real cleaning he wants.....enough said.
Totally agree with the first part. She drives a mile to and from work and changes the oil every 5-7K. There's your problem. I don't think Castrol or the engine design have anything to do with it.
Here's what I'd do:
Two Auto-RX treatmens followed by the use of synthetic at 5K OCI or go back to Castrol GTX at 3K OCI.
To be honest, I'll bet this truck has seen at most 3 oil changes in its life. My ex-wife was just like this. When I first met her, she had the oil changed in her T-Bird MAYBE once a year if she happened to remember it or as she put it: "When I can tell it needs changing." I asked her how she knew it needed changing and she said when the oil light would start blinking when she was sitting in traffic.
When you put "ought" in any statement, especially 2 or more, then there is no fact to base anything on.
Maybe your engine design allows the oil to be pumped faster, pan allows oil to heat faster from less air contact, etc. You nor I can answer what the mechnasisms are without a guess at best.
The only Dakota/Durango engine that has milkshake in the valve cover is the 4.7, the other engines have 30 plus years of history of not doing this as well. I don't know the reason nor the answer.
I can say I would love to have a 4.7 with a 5 speed in my truck and have even considered getting one regardless of the problems they seem to have with others.
IMHO - if the oil is soft sludging, then the engine is too cold 99% of the times. If the oil is hard sludging (sludge isn't fluffy) then the oil was used for far too long. Used to work in an engine shop, used to see both all the time, there are other indictators internal to the engine to let us know if it was too cold most of the time.
I had the 2000 with the 4.7 and now I have a 2003 with the 4.7. Great engines!! No problems with the first at 130,000 + miles before I traded it for my present one. The 4.7 is a great engine period.
Odd... Allpar.com said the 4.7L was an option in 2001... oh well.
Yes! Its about time that you guys came around. I was vouching for the 4.7L in that last thread bashing it. It's a great engine.
Any engine can sludge with poor maintainence and poor driving habits. Most of the people on those consumer complaint websites probably didnt' follow the correct service schedule.
Yes! Its about time that you guys came around. I was vouching for the 4.7L in that last thread bashing it. It's a great engine.
Any engine can sludge with poor maintainence and poor driving habits. Most of the people on those consumer complaint websites probably didnt' follow the correct service schedule.
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