My Opinion on New Car Oil Changes
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Opinions are opinions. In a normal vehicle there is not much of an adavtange of changing the oil out 3 times in 3k. Just comfort and $$ wasted on oil. I just had a great uoa on an engine that is still young and i changed the oil at 2k the first time. Now if this is a camaro I'm driving hard or a Ferrari f430, then I'd agree on that oci plan because its driven hard or a $$$ dream car but for most modern day engines in everyday cars won't know the difference in the long run.
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again [censored] i must be lucky never seen any metal shavings in the vehicles i have purchased over the last decade+
01' civic
02' dakota
02' explorer
03' maxima
04' tundra
05' f-150
08' vibe
08' edge
09' civic
10' traverse
11' prius
and now 12' outback... dang it looks like i need to lease a vehicle...
01' civic
02' dakota
02' explorer
03' maxima
04' tundra
05' f-150
08' vibe
08' edge
09' civic
10' traverse
11' prius
and now 12' outback... dang it looks like i need to lease a vehicle...
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Originally Posted By: volk06
Opinions are opinions. In a normal vehicle there is not much of an adavtange of changing the oil out 3 times in 3k. Just comfort and $$ wasted on oil. I just had a great uoa on an engine that is still young and i changed the oil at 2k the first time. Now if this is a camaro I'm driving hard or a Ferrari f430, then I'd agree on that oci plan because its driven hard or a $$$ dream car but for most modern day engines in everyday cars won't know the difference in the long run.
Metal filings are metal filings whether in a Ferrari or a Kia.
Opinions are opinions. In a normal vehicle there is not much of an adavtange of changing the oil out 3 times in 3k. Just comfort and $$ wasted on oil. I just had a great uoa on an engine that is still young and i changed the oil at 2k the first time. Now if this is a camaro I'm driving hard or a Ferrari f430, then I'd agree on that oci plan because its driven hard or a $$$ dream car but for most modern day engines in everyday cars won't know the difference in the long run.
Metal filings are metal filings whether in a Ferrari or a Kia.
Originally Posted By: jek
i have never, and i mean never in my life have visually seen any metal shavings in my new vehicle purchases. believe me there have been many.
You've never seen metal shavings when you've done a first oil change yourself?
Come on....
i have never, and i mean never in my life have visually seen any metal shavings in my new vehicle purchases. believe me there have been many.
You've never seen metal shavings when you've done a first oil change yourself?
Come on....
Originally Posted By: alwayson
Originally Posted By: 2010_FX4
Anecdotal information is just that--you should look for FACTS.
No I go by personal experience.
I've done several cars at 1000 miles.
They all had tons of metal in the oil.
Again I ask, am I the first one to say this stuff??
"Tons" of metal? Really? Exaggerate much?
I've had a number of new vehicles, several of which have gone to 200,000 and beyond. I always did my first oil change around the 3,000 mile mark. And yes, I've always done every single one of my oil changes. I've never had an engine failure, oil related or otherwise. I've never done a UOA, and I've never seen any obvious metal in the oil.
Until you can provide real proof, your post is nothing more than another troll post intended to whip up a frenzy of activity.
Gentlemen, I highly suggest that you refrain from feeding the troll.
Originally Posted By: 2010_FX4
Anecdotal information is just that--you should look for FACTS.
No I go by personal experience.
I've done several cars at 1000 miles.
They all had tons of metal in the oil.
Again I ask, am I the first one to say this stuff??
"Tons" of metal? Really? Exaggerate much?
I've had a number of new vehicles, several of which have gone to 200,000 and beyond. I always did my first oil change around the 3,000 mile mark. And yes, I've always done every single one of my oil changes. I've never had an engine failure, oil related or otherwise. I've never done a UOA, and I've never seen any obvious metal in the oil.
Until you can provide real proof, your post is nothing more than another troll post intended to whip up a frenzy of activity.
Gentlemen, I highly suggest that you refrain from feeding the troll.
Originally Posted By: Pop_Rivit
Originally Posted By: alwayson
Originally Posted By: 2010_FX4
Anecdotal information is just that--you should look for FACTS.
No I go by personal experience.
I've done several cars at 1000 miles.
They all had tons of metal in the oil.
Again I ask, am I the first one to say this stuff??
"Tons" of metal? Really? Exaggerate much?
I've had a number of new vehicles, several of which have gone to 200,000 and beyond. I always did my first oil change around the 3,000 mile mark. And yes, I've always done every single one of my oil changes. I've never had an engine failure, oil related or otherwise. I've never done a UOA, and I've never seen any obvious metal in the oil.
Until you can provide real proof, your post is nothing more than another troll post intended to whip up a frenzy of activity.
Gentlemen, I highly suggest that you refrain from feeding the troll.
There are posts on this forum, where people have said that it takes 3 oil changes to get rid visible metal.
I am not a troll. You (and jek) are liars.
There is always a load of metal filings at 1000 miles
Originally Posted By: alwayson
Originally Posted By: 2010_FX4
Anecdotal information is just that--you should look for FACTS.
No I go by personal experience.
I've done several cars at 1000 miles.
They all had tons of metal in the oil.
Again I ask, am I the first one to say this stuff??
"Tons" of metal? Really? Exaggerate much?
I've had a number of new vehicles, several of which have gone to 200,000 and beyond. I always did my first oil change around the 3,000 mile mark. And yes, I've always done every single one of my oil changes. I've never had an engine failure, oil related or otherwise. I've never done a UOA, and I've never seen any obvious metal in the oil.
Until you can provide real proof, your post is nothing more than another troll post intended to whip up a frenzy of activity.
Gentlemen, I highly suggest that you refrain from feeding the troll.
There are posts on this forum, where people have said that it takes 3 oil changes to get rid visible metal.
I am not a troll. You (and jek) are liars.
There is always a load of metal filings at 1000 miles
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Pop rivet grow up a little bit that was uncalled for. This argument is just like Dino vs syn everyone says it'll last longer on syn but its not true Dino will worn fine for a several 100k miles. Lets all just agree to disagree. No one is wrong it's just preference.
Originally Posted By: chevyboy14
Pop rivet grow up a little bit that was uncalled for. This argument is just like Dino vs syn everyone says it'll last longer on syn but its not true Dino will worn fine for a several 100k miles. Lets all just agree to disagree. No one is wrong it's just preference.
+1 Just pick a plan that makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside and stick to it, lol.
Pop rivet grow up a little bit that was uncalled for. This argument is just like Dino vs syn everyone says it'll last longer on syn but its not true Dino will worn fine for a several 100k miles. Lets all just agree to disagree. No one is wrong it's just preference.
+1 Just pick a plan that makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside and stick to it, lol.
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Originally Posted By: alwayson
Originally Posted By: 2010_FX4
Anecdotal information is just that--you should look for FACTS.
No I go by personal experience. I've done several cars at 1000 miles. They all had tons of metal in the oil. Again I ask, am I the first one to say this stuff??
OK...I will bite. Wow...so you overlook facts in lieu of your own experiences? Did you ever stop to consider that your experiences could be wrong?
Here are some facts:
Originally Posted By: 2010_FX4
Anecdotal information is just that--you should look for FACTS.
No I go by personal experience. I've done several cars at 1000 miles. They all had tons of metal in the oil. Again I ask, am I the first one to say this stuff??
OK...I will bite. Wow...so you overlook facts in lieu of your own experiences? Did you ever stop to consider that your experiences could be wrong?
Here are some facts:
- Unless you have performed a UOA, then you are merely guessing when you say there are "tons of metal in the oil".
- Unless you have performed controlled, documented, and repeatable tests on the order of millions of miles on a number of engines, then you cannot say with ANY certainty that early OCs make any difference in any shape or fashion on engine longevity.
- You are making WAGs about your topic with ZERO verifiable and factual data to support it.
- Most here will give nearly zero credence to your opinion because you cannot substantiate it.
- Additionally, to make the broad sweeping statements that you are making with nothing to substantiate it, is asking to be called to the mat.
- No, you are not the first person to bring this up, but as with all the other instances, there is nothing proven either way.
This is exactly what the oil filter is made for.
No need to change your oil early, the truth is that the finer particles that COULD possibly do damage are trapped by the filter and true that the heaviest particles fall to the bottom of the oil pan.
I think "alwayson" works for the oil companies. LOL
No need to change your oil early, the truth is that the finer particles that COULD possibly do damage are trapped by the filter and true that the heaviest particles fall to the bottom of the oil pan.
I think "alwayson" works for the oil companies. LOL
Originally Posted By: 2010_FX4
[*]Unless you have performed a UOA, then you are merely guessing when you say there are "tons of metal in the oil".
You can see the metal filings visually.
Why would you need a UOA?
I'm really surprised by the ignorance of people here.
Originally Posted By: 2010_FX4
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[*]Unless you have performed controlled, documented, and repeatable tests on the order of millions of miles on a number of engines, then you cannot say with ANY certainty that early OCs make any difference in any shape or fashion on engine longevity.
Ok and ?
I've never even talked about engine longevity etc. I'm only talking about the metal filings.
[*]Unless you have performed a UOA, then you are merely guessing when you say there are "tons of metal in the oil".
You can see the metal filings visually.
Why would you need a UOA?
I'm really surprised by the ignorance of people here.
Originally Posted By: 2010_FX4
[*]
[*]Unless you have performed controlled, documented, and repeatable tests on the order of millions of miles on a number of engines, then you cannot say with ANY certainty that early OCs make any difference in any shape or fashion on engine longevity.
Ok and ?
I've never even talked about engine longevity etc. I'm only talking about the metal filings.
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Originally Posted By: alwayson
Originally Posted By: hattaresguy
On what engineering data are you basing this assumption? Because every manufacture disagrees with it.
What were the size and composition of the metal particles seen? At what point do they become detrimental to the engine, and what parts?
The manufacture of whatever new car that was has this data, and has determined that its fine to run to the normal interval. If their were concerns about potential wear they would specify a shorter interval. This would benefit them because its another excuse to get you into the dealer so they can up sell you on injector cleaners and the like.
[censored] the manufacturer.
Fantastic support of your hypothesis. So since you have zero data and the manufactures have teams of engineers with lots of data, I'm going to stick with what they recommend.
Originally Posted By: hattaresguy
On what engineering data are you basing this assumption? Because every manufacture disagrees with it.
What were the size and composition of the metal particles seen? At what point do they become detrimental to the engine, and what parts?
The manufacture of whatever new car that was has this data, and has determined that its fine to run to the normal interval. If their were concerns about potential wear they would specify a shorter interval. This would benefit them because its another excuse to get you into the dealer so they can up sell you on injector cleaners and the like.
[censored] the manufacturer.
Fantastic support of your hypothesis. So since you have zero data and the manufactures have teams of engineers with lots of data, I'm going to stick with what they recommend.
Originally Posted By: hattaresguy
Originally Posted By: alwayson
Originally Posted By: hattaresguy
On what engineering data are you basing this assumption? Because every manufacture disagrees with it.
What were the size and composition of the metal particles seen? At what point do they become detrimental to the engine, and what parts?
The manufacture of whatever new car that was has this data, and has determined that its fine to run to the normal interval. If their were concerns about potential wear they would specify a shorter interval. This would benefit them because its another excuse to get you into the dealer so they can up sell you on injector cleaners and the like.
[censored] the manufacturer.
Fantastic support of your hypothesis. So since you have zero data and the manufactures have teams of engineers with lots of data, I'm going to stick with what they recommend.
What do you think my hypothesis is exactly?
Originally Posted By: alwayson
Originally Posted By: hattaresguy
On what engineering data are you basing this assumption? Because every manufacture disagrees with it.
What were the size and composition of the metal particles seen? At what point do they become detrimental to the engine, and what parts?
The manufacture of whatever new car that was has this data, and has determined that its fine to run to the normal interval. If their were concerns about potential wear they would specify a shorter interval. This would benefit them because its another excuse to get you into the dealer so they can up sell you on injector cleaners and the like.
[censored] the manufacturer.
Fantastic support of your hypothesis. So since you have zero data and the manufactures have teams of engineers with lots of data, I'm going to stick with what they recommend.
What do you think my hypothesis is exactly?
i find it comical that stupid stuff keeps being said a uoa shows that there is metal in the oil and that was admitted then why in the [censored] would you want to keep it in there???? if you saw a uoa with elevated levels of metal at 100,000miles you would worry but if its new the metal is fine to stay?? metal in oil isn't good plain and simple and if a 20 dollar oil change makes it go away then it cant possibly be a bad course of action. maybe the metal doesnt hurt at all but it doesn't help either. i would rather just change it early for the piece of mind.
Originally Posted By: chevyboy14
i find it comical that stupid stuff keeps being said a uoa shows that there is metal in the oil and that was admitted then why in the [censored] would you want to keep it in there???? if you saw a uoa with elevated levels of metal at 100,000miles you would worry but if its new the metal is fine to stay?? metal in oil isn't good plain and simple and if a 20 dollar oil change makes it go away then it cant possibly be a bad course of action. maybe the metal doesnt hurt at all but it doesn't help either. i would rather just change it early for the piece of mind.
Yes exactly.... ergo the often recommended oil change at 500 or 1000 miles.
i find it comical that stupid stuff keeps being said a uoa shows that there is metal in the oil and that was admitted then why in the [censored] would you want to keep it in there???? if you saw a uoa with elevated levels of metal at 100,000miles you would worry but if its new the metal is fine to stay?? metal in oil isn't good plain and simple and if a 20 dollar oil change makes it go away then it cant possibly be a bad course of action. maybe the metal doesnt hurt at all but it doesn't help either. i would rather just change it early for the piece of mind.
Yes exactly.... ergo the often recommended oil change at 500 or 1000 miles.
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Question..My understanding is only microscopic particles are measurable in a UOA. So a piece of metal large enough to be seen by the human eye would not appear in the UOA results. True?
Originally Posted By: alwayson
Originally Posted By: chevyboy14
i find it comical that stupid stuff keeps being said a uoa shows that there is metal in the oil and that was admitted then why in the [censored] would you want to keep it in there???? if you saw a uoa with elevated levels of metal at 100,000miles you would worry but if its new the metal is fine to stay?? metal in oil isn't good plain and simple and if a 20 dollar oil change makes it go away then it cant possibly be a bad course of action. maybe the metal doesnt hurt at all but it doesn't help either. i would rather just change it early for the piece of mind.
Yes exactly. And this is what many people do, ergo the often recommended oil change at 500 or 1000 miles.
if you haven't noticed there is a lot of nonsense on here. i love bitog but some people on here are flat ridiculous . most the people on here follow the latest trend. like going 10,000 miles on an oil which can be done but i think there is to many variables from car to car to do that. and i think instead of trying to get every last drop out of the oil i prefer to get every last mile out of my engine. and don't feel bad Ive been called a troll before. i was banned because after i was called that i voiced my displeasure. if you refuse to follow the in crowd your a troll. lol people cannot just say " hey whatever i don't agree but if it works for you that's fine"
Originally Posted By: chevyboy14
i find it comical that stupid stuff keeps being said a uoa shows that there is metal in the oil and that was admitted then why in the [censored] would you want to keep it in there???? if you saw a uoa with elevated levels of metal at 100,000miles you would worry but if its new the metal is fine to stay?? metal in oil isn't good plain and simple and if a 20 dollar oil change makes it go away then it cant possibly be a bad course of action. maybe the metal doesnt hurt at all but it doesn't help either. i would rather just change it early for the piece of mind.
Yes exactly. And this is what many people do, ergo the often recommended oil change at 500 or 1000 miles.
if you haven't noticed there is a lot of nonsense on here. i love bitog but some people on here are flat ridiculous . most the people on here follow the latest trend. like going 10,000 miles on an oil which can be done but i think there is to many variables from car to car to do that. and i think instead of trying to get every last drop out of the oil i prefer to get every last mile out of my engine. and don't feel bad Ive been called a troll before. i was banned because after i was called that i voiced my displeasure. if you refuse to follow the in crowd your a troll. lol people cannot just say " hey whatever i don't agree but if it works for you that's fine"
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