I don't think it is a truck but will be a novelty. It will probably sell well in the beginning because a lot of people have more money than brains. After watching a test drive video, it has very interesting technology and is cool in some ways. I doubt they will get their money invested out of it.
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I’m not sure why you’re saying that, maybe you’re just being a little impatient?
It’s only this year that manufacturer are turning out some electric vehicles and by 2026 they’ll be in full swing, mostly but still will have more to go.
And with the above said Tesla‘s market share is down 33%. Call me crazy but I think maybe you might be a little ahead of yourself and I’m not saying that in a nasty way, but I consider you an early adopter and might be a little surprised.
Tesla just announced a "Founders edition " that includes laser etching, and get this "a whole suite of upgrades " for only $120,000. This doesn't include the $16,000 range extender battery pack. So apparently for $136,000 Musk decided to tick off the current deposit holders and bump them back in delivery time if you want to shuck out more money. Hopefully Tesla wakes up and cans Musk on Monday. I don't want any garbage Tesla product but this takes the cake.
The EV market may be begging someone to come along and knock Tesla off of the pedestal but the other automakers are finding that developing a competitive EV is a lot more difficult than taking an existing design, a bunch of parts from assembly line bins and adding batteries. And it is even more difficult to make a profit on their EV's.
This is what happens when Tesla has a 10 year head start, has an enormous amount of capital, has the best engineering talent in the world, and isn't burdened by things like unfunded union pensions, support of dealerships, keeping outdated and outmoded ICE assembly lines going, and paying millions of dollars to fix recall issues because they make stupid engineering decisions or have overpaid trained monkeys assembling their vehicles.
Add in the current economic conditions and it's going to be a lot longer than 2026 before we see all of the major manufacturers "in full swing" in the EV market. Sure, each one will have a few EV's available. But I remain highly skeptical that they will be anywhere close to Tesla in technology or performance and certainly won't be more than 20% as profitable. If profitable at all.
I agree that Tesla needs some major restyling and needs to introduce a couple more models, especially the long awaited sub- $30k model. For the kind of driving I do and my lifestyle, an EV would be perfect. But I am not interested in any available models by any manufacturer. But I certainly wouldn't rule one out if it met my approval.
And millions of near-future new car buyers are thinking the same thing. As soon as their range anxiety and uncertainty of convenience of charging stations are more fully addressed, we'll see a big spike in EV sales. And Tesla will still be several years ahead of everyone else at that point.
This is what happens when Tesla has a 10 year head start, has an enormous amount of capital, has the best engineering talent in the world, and isn't burdened by things like unfunded union pensions, support of dealerships, keeping outdated and outmoded ICE assembly lines going, and paying millions of dollars to fix recall issues because they make stupid engineering decisions or have overpaid trained monkeys assembling their vehicles.
Add in the current economic conditions and it's going to be a lot longer than 2026 before we see all of the major manufacturers "in full swing" in the EV market. Sure, each one will have a few EV's available. But I remain highly skeptical that they will be anywhere close to Tesla in technology or performance and certainly won't be more than 20% as profitable. If profitable at all.
I agree that Tesla needs some major restyling and needs to introduce a couple more models, especially the long awaited sub- $30k model. For the kind of driving I do and my lifestyle, an EV would be perfect. But I am not interested in any available models by any manufacturer. But I certainly wouldn't rule one out if it met my approval.
And millions of near-future new car buyers are thinking the same thing. As soon as their range anxiety and uncertainty of convenience of charging stations are more fully addressed, we'll see a big spike in EV sales. And Tesla will still be several years ahead of everyone else at that point.
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That bit I think is key. BMW makes a fantastic EV; my favourite by far. I know that @Ws6 is very happy with his KIA EV, and I believe he test drove a Tesla, as have I, several of them. I have no experience with the KIA, but the BMW is head and shoulders above the Model 3 and Model Y in several key areas, and offers the same or better performance (it's faster up top). However, I don't think BMW is making money on the i4 and iX, and I doubt KIA is making money either.
So, even if you can bring a product to market that's competitive, and even exceeds Tesla in many key areas, the problem of making a profit remains.
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Remember that no resell clause that made the news cycle a month ago, public outcry made tesla retract it. Well I guess the foundational series, which allows select reservation holders to pay more for a quicker delivery has that resell clause included in their contract.
Dang Tesla you learned learned a thing or two from ford.
Dang Tesla you learned learned a thing or two from ford.
What percentage of units going out the door in 2024 will be Foundation Series? I'd bet 100%.
I'd say that is driven by 3 main items. As the battery pack, control circuitry and high tech motors are, and will remain, stupidly expensive to produce.
In real world terms, the rest of the vehicle is as much as 25% heavier duty than a comparable conventional car. So there are minor costs like big brakes, heavier structure, suspension and more robust tires, etc.
I see no way to make a $25,000 Nissan Altima sized competitor, when the battery and controller costs every bit of $20K.
The model 3 LR has more than 4400 cells in the pack, each wholesales for $4 (retail $6). That's $18K worth of cells, and we have not even boxed it up yet.
Despite some glowing and positive reports, battery cost is not significantly decreasing when viewed per KWh. The cost has in fact, leveled out.
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Lmao.
I can't wait for the spin. "it's a prototype", "it has the wrong tires", "software wasn't updated", etc.
When the real truck has to bail out the Reddit truck.
Who cares are all? I’m not buying one but everyone has to be right just by seeing a video or hearing a story.
This happens in real engineering a lot. The point is, you don't want to buy something too early, but things do improve over time so you will have to constantly check if what you want is finally mature and stable before you buy them.
I am more concerned if they fix their problems or just ignore them and move on to the next generation.
Trucks get stuck in the mud all the time. I once got stuck in my backyard one rainy winter repairing the eaves...
Most of the time the vehicle is not at fault; check the nut behind the wheel.
Most of the time the vehicle is not at fault; check the nut behind the wheel.
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All three of my cars would get out of that. Maybe not BMW bcs. cleareance.
People will have a rude awakening when they get stuck and find out what is difference between AWD and 4WD.
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apparently a prototype vehicle
This was a pre-production truck on all season tires, no recovery hooks installed, and locker not engaging due to software issue.
This was a pre-production truck on all season tires, no recovery hooks installed, and locker not engaging due to software issue.
You nailed it! The fan boys have an answer for everything about Tesla products, they justify the cheap cheesy low quality vinyl interior with an ipad stuck in the middle with"elon is taking a minimalist approach" and other such nonsense, their excuses are endless. LOL
Edit: Just saw this, old elon is not fixing this with a OTA update.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12859229/Tesla-recalls-vehicles-fix-drivers-Autopilot.html
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Who would think “it is prototype “ argument is coming.
2033: “Elon said it is still Beta, so chill out.”
It may exist but you're not allowed to buy it because it's cheaper than what can be produced in the US.
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To be fair, it has RC stamped on the outside, indicating these are prototype vehicles. In software dev, release candidate vehicles usually are still being debugged akin to BMW vehicles with full camo inside and out, weird squinty round headlights, laptops mounted running diagnostic and design software, and of course the infamous big red button in the inside to manually shutoff the entire vehicle.
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