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Mustang has nothing to worry about with the looks of the Camaro.
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Originally Posted By: ocrstar
Mustang has nothing to worry about with the looks of the Camaro.
It never has. In 45 years it never has.
Mustang has nothing to worry about with the looks of the Camaro.
It never has. In 45 years it never has.
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Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: ocrstar
Mustang has nothing to worry about with the looks of the Camaro.
It never has. In 45 years it never has.
I disagree, I think the 74 Camaro looked a lot better than the 74 Mustang!
Also, most people would agree that the mid 80s Camaro Irocs looked a lot nicer than the Fox body Mustangs did (even though the Mustangs were way faster)
Originally Posted By: ocrstar
Mustang has nothing to worry about with the looks of the Camaro.
It never has. In 45 years it never has.
I disagree, I think the 74 Camaro looked a lot better than the 74 Mustang!
Also, most people would agree that the mid 80s Camaro Irocs looked a lot nicer than the Fox body Mustangs did (even though the Mustangs were way faster)
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
It never has. In 45 years it never has.
That's true, the Mustang has always outsold the Camaro easily, but that includes the mid 1970's when the Mustang gave up it's pony car roots and became an overglorfied Pinto. Popularity isn't always a good thing. At least the Camaro carried the pony car torch through those troubled years.
Regardless of whether your a Mustang or Camaro fan, the new Camaro is GOOD for both fans. Having a decent competitor will make the Mustang a better car and vice versa. The magazine pony car camparo's were always great reads.
Personally, I haven't warmed up to the looks on the new Camaro, but I'll have to see it in person before I make my final judgement. And although GM's timing could be better for this car's release, I think it is still important to have a car like this to draw people into GM showrooms even if they have no intention to buy one.
The performance numbers are decent for the car though. I am impressed with the V6 times, since traditionally V6 pony cars were never very quick. Those 1/4 mile times the V6 Camaros are running now, are faster than some V8 times Pony cars used to run in the not so distant past.
It never has. In 45 years it never has.
That's true, the Mustang has always outsold the Camaro easily, but that includes the mid 1970's when the Mustang gave up it's pony car roots and became an overglorfied Pinto. Popularity isn't always a good thing. At least the Camaro carried the pony car torch through those troubled years.
Regardless of whether your a Mustang or Camaro fan, the new Camaro is GOOD for both fans. Having a decent competitor will make the Mustang a better car and vice versa. The magazine pony car camparo's were always great reads.
Personally, I haven't warmed up to the looks on the new Camaro, but I'll have to see it in person before I make my final judgement. And although GM's timing could be better for this car's release, I think it is still important to have a car like this to draw people into GM showrooms even if they have no intention to buy one.
The performance numbers are decent for the car though. I am impressed with the V6 times, since traditionally V6 pony cars were never very quick. Those 1/4 mile times the V6 Camaros are running now, are faster than some V8 times Pony cars used to run in the not so distant past.
I love the new Mustang and Camaro. Me being a die hard Chevy guy I used to hate Mustangs until I owned a 99 GT. The modular motors are impressive but getting dated. LSX motors keep impressing me, power house small blocks that are economical. I also agree the Camaro will be good for GM to bring people into the dealers.
Originally Posted By: Oldswagon
The performance numbers are decent for the car though. I am impressed with the V6 times, since traditionally V6 pony cars were never very quick. Those 1/4 mile times the V6 Camaros are running now, are faster than some V8 times Pony cars used to run in the not so distant past.
I know I remember reading an article about the saturn aura when my mom was looking at them. Any ways they made a line like it has a faster 0 to 60 than a corvette. Then it goes on to say a 1980s corvete but still it makes you think. The aura with a 3.6 non di with 252hp does 0 to 60 in 6.1 seconds or so.
The performance numbers are decent for the car though. I am impressed with the V6 times, since traditionally V6 pony cars were never very quick. Those 1/4 mile times the V6 Camaros are running now, are faster than some V8 times Pony cars used to run in the not so distant past.
I know I remember reading an article about the saturn aura when my mom was looking at them. Any ways they made a line like it has a faster 0 to 60 than a corvette. Then it goes on to say a 1980s corvete but still it makes you think. The aura with a 3.6 non di with 252hp does 0 to 60 in 6.1 seconds or so.
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Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: ocrstar
Mustang has nothing to worry about with the looks of the Camaro.
It never has. In 45 years it never has.
I disagree, I think the 74 Camaro looked a lot better than the 74 Mustang!
Also, most people would agree that the mid 80s Camaro Irocs looked a lot nicer than the Fox body Mustangs did (even though the Mustangs were way faster)
The Mustang II was a GREAT car - if it wasn't for that car, and that car alone, the Mustang wouldn't even BE here today!
It deserves WAAAAAYYYY more respect than it gets...
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: ocrstar
Mustang has nothing to worry about with the looks of the Camaro.
It never has. In 45 years it never has.
I disagree, I think the 74 Camaro looked a lot better than the 74 Mustang!
Also, most people would agree that the mid 80s Camaro Irocs looked a lot nicer than the Fox body Mustangs did (even though the Mustangs were way faster)
The Mustang II was a GREAT car - if it wasn't for that car, and that car alone, the Mustang wouldn't even BE here today!
It deserves WAAAAAYYYY more respect than it gets...
My 2000 Firebird Formula with just an air lid is faster than a brand new GT w/ at least an exhaust. Proven this weekend.
Why do Mustangs have to be a special edition that costs a ton to beat a midline model 10yo F-body?
The Camaro is heavy, but handling and braking should be very good. The G8 may be the better car overall.
Why do Mustangs have to be a special edition that costs a ton to beat a midline model 10yo F-body?
The Camaro is heavy, but handling and braking should be very good. The G8 may be the better car overall.
What's an 'air lid'? And your 'proof' really isn't much of a testimony. True, the best 0-60 times are indeed equal to the newer Mustang GT....and with a better driver, probably a few tenths faster. But the Formula DOES have a 5.3 V-8 making 305hp. I would hope it would fare well in a straight line. I don't believe a Mustang must be a 'special edition' model (like what...Bullit, Gt350 or 500?) to better an old Firebird. Not to beliitle your car but the looks of that year Firebird and the cheap plastic interior leaves something to be desired. The handling and comfort of the Firebird also can't even begin to compete with the newer Mustangs. Should we talk about reliability? No....that speaks for itself. Besides, any one of us could probably slap a big V-8 into any old compact beater car and get under 5 seconds in a 0-60 trap.
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Originally Posted By: bdcardinal
really awesome car, just a few years late. o and did the exterior designer of the Pontiac Aztek design the Camaro's interior?
It looks to me like the Aztek boys and girls did the exterior also.
really awesome car, just a few years late. o and did the exterior designer of the Pontiac Aztek design the Camaro's interior?
It looks to me like the Aztek boys and girls did the exterior also.
It reminds me of Lightning McQueen of the movie Cars.
Originally Posted By: andrewg
What's an 'air lid'? And your 'proof' really isn't much of a testimony. True, the best 0-60 times are indeed equal to the newer Mustang GT....and with a better driver, probably a few tenths faster. But the Formula DOES have a 5.3 V-8 making 305hp. I would hope it would fare well in a straight line. I don't believe a Mustang must be a 'special edition' model (like what...Bullit, Gt350 or 500?) to better an old Firebird. Not to beliitle your car but the looks of that year Firebird and the cheap plastic interior leaves something to be desired. The handling and comfort of the Firebird also can't even begin to compete with the newer Mustangs. Should we talk about reliability? No....that speaks for itself. Besides, any one of us could probably slap a big V-8 into any old compact beater car and get under 5 seconds in a 0-60 trap.
I'm sure you meant 5.7 V8.
What's an 'air lid'? And your 'proof' really isn't much of a testimony. True, the best 0-60 times are indeed equal to the newer Mustang GT....and with a better driver, probably a few tenths faster. But the Formula DOES have a 5.3 V-8 making 305hp. I would hope it would fare well in a straight line. I don't believe a Mustang must be a 'special edition' model (like what...Bullit, Gt350 or 500?) to better an old Firebird. Not to beliitle your car but the looks of that year Firebird and the cheap plastic interior leaves something to be desired. The handling and comfort of the Firebird also can't even begin to compete with the newer Mustangs. Should we talk about reliability? No....that speaks for itself. Besides, any one of us could probably slap a big V-8 into any old compact beater car and get under 5 seconds in a 0-60 trap.
I'm sure you meant 5.7 V8.
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Originally Posted By: Patman
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: ocrstar
Mustang has nothing to worry about with the looks of the Camaro.
It never has. In 45 years it never has.
I disagree, I think the 74 Camaro looked a lot better than the 74 Mustang!
I wasn't talking primarily about looks, I was thinking sales figures. It has consistently outsold the F-body for 45 years. My favourite year of Camaro was that of the split-bumper. When they restyled it from the 60's design, I think it was the worst thing they could have done to that car.
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Also, most people would agree that the mid 80s Camaro Irocs looked a lot nicer than the Fox body Mustangs did (even though the Mustangs were way faster)
Seems to have always been a love it or hate it thing with the IROCS.
Mid-80's Fox:
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: ocrstar
Mustang has nothing to worry about with the looks of the Camaro.
It never has. In 45 years it never has.
I disagree, I think the 74 Camaro looked a lot better than the 74 Mustang!
I wasn't talking primarily about looks, I was thinking sales figures. It has consistently outsold the F-body for 45 years. My favourite year of Camaro was that of the split-bumper. When they restyled it from the 60's design, I think it was the worst thing they could have done to that car.
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Also, most people would agree that the mid 80s Camaro Irocs looked a lot nicer than the Fox body Mustangs did (even though the Mustangs were way faster)
Seems to have always been a love it or hate it thing with the IROCS.
Mid-80's Fox:
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Originally Posted By: gregmp
My 2000 Firebird Formula with just an air lid is faster than a brand new GT w/ at least an exhaust. Proven this weekend.
Why do Mustangs have to be a special edition that costs a ton to beat a midline model 10yo F-body?
The Camaro is heavy, but handling and braking should be very good. The G8 may be the better car overall.
The SS/Formula was direct competition for the Cobra. A 2000 Cobra is very similar performance-wise to your 2000 Firebird. a 2003/2004 Cobra ate the last-year F-body for lunch, and will make over 1,000RWHP on the stock internals. These are not "Special Edition" cars, the Cobra has always been the performance equivalent of the F-body's SS lineup. But the Mustang line has the mid-level GT, a trim-level that does not exist in F-body land. We've also had the Mach 1, which fit between the Cobra and the GT.
From 2003 to 2009, there has not been an F-Body to compete with the Mustang, GT, Cobra or otherwise. So how important was the performance of your Formula in relation to the GT anyways?
My 2000 Firebird Formula with just an air lid is faster than a brand new GT w/ at least an exhaust. Proven this weekend.
Why do Mustangs have to be a special edition that costs a ton to beat a midline model 10yo F-body?
The Camaro is heavy, but handling and braking should be very good. The G8 may be the better car overall.
The SS/Formula was direct competition for the Cobra. A 2000 Cobra is very similar performance-wise to your 2000 Firebird. a 2003/2004 Cobra ate the last-year F-body for lunch, and will make over 1,000RWHP on the stock internals. These are not "Special Edition" cars, the Cobra has always been the performance equivalent of the F-body's SS lineup. But the Mustang line has the mid-level GT, a trim-level that does not exist in F-body land. We've also had the Mach 1, which fit between the Cobra and the GT.
From 2003 to 2009, there has not been an F-Body to compete with the Mustang, GT, Cobra or otherwise. So how important was the performance of your Formula in relation to the GT anyways?
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Originally Posted By: andrewg
What's an 'air lid'? And your 'proof' really isn't much of a testimony. True, the best 0-60 times are indeed equal to the newer Mustang GT....and with a better driver, probably a few tenths faster. But the Formula DOES have a 5.3 V-8 making 305hp. I would hope it would fare well in a straight line. I don't believe a Mustang must be a 'special edition' model (like what...Bullit, Gt350 or 500?) to better an old Firebird. Not to beliitle your car but the looks of that year Firebird and the cheap plastic interior leaves something to be desired. The handling and comfort of the Firebird also can't even begin to compete with the newer Mustangs. Should we talk about reliability? No....that speaks for itself. Besides, any one of us could probably slap a big V-8 into any old compact beater car and get under 5 seconds in a 0-60 trap.
I'm sure you meant 5.7 V8.
Yes, more than a full litre of displacement on that little 4.6L. That's almost a whole Honda engine
Originally Posted By: andrewg
What's an 'air lid'? And your 'proof' really isn't much of a testimony. True, the best 0-60 times are indeed equal to the newer Mustang GT....and with a better driver, probably a few tenths faster. But the Formula DOES have a 5.3 V-8 making 305hp. I would hope it would fare well in a straight line. I don't believe a Mustang must be a 'special edition' model (like what...Bullit, Gt350 or 500?) to better an old Firebird. Not to beliitle your car but the looks of that year Firebird and the cheap plastic interior leaves something to be desired. The handling and comfort of the Firebird also can't even begin to compete with the newer Mustangs. Should we talk about reliability? No....that speaks for itself. Besides, any one of us could probably slap a big V-8 into any old compact beater car and get under 5 seconds in a 0-60 trap.
I'm sure you meant 5.7 V8.
Yes, more than a full litre of displacement on that little 4.6L. That's almost a whole Honda engine
I prefer mustangs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lQX3cOAbes
My bro owned a couple of 90's models Camaros and even though they were fast they had the [censored] interiors I've ever seen on a car and were big pieces of [censored] generally.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lQX3cOAbes
My bro owned a couple of 90's models Camaros and even though they were fast they had the [censored] interiors I've ever seen on a car and were big pieces of [censored] generally.
Oops....yes I did mean the Firebird had a 5.7 V-8...typo!!
But to be fair, I like Firebirds, Camaro's and Mustangs. They have ALL had great years and ugly years. I love the '67 Camaro. I would prefer having a mint one over my '08 Mustang GT/CS. But....I like the new Mustang GT and consider it a very good bargain with the type of performance, horsepower, and styling that only a decade ago was unheard of at this price level.
But to be fair, I like Firebirds, Camaro's and Mustangs. They have ALL had great years and ugly years. I love the '67 Camaro. I would prefer having a mint one over my '08 Mustang GT/CS. But....I like the new Mustang GT and consider it a very good bargain with the type of performance, horsepower, and styling that only a decade ago was unheard of at this price level.
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I just hope GM has dealt with their space inefficiencies and plastic quality with the new Camaro. The last F-bodies were huge, heavy-looking cars on the exterior but were strangely tight on the inside. My 94 Eclipse had more interior space than my roommate's '96 Formula Firebird. I hated going anywhere in his car because it felt like you sit down inside a bathtub when you get in. I'm 5'11" tall and all you could see of me was my head when I sat down. While the engine was bullet proof, the body fell apart around him during the 2 years he had it and I don't think there's one electric component that didn't go south at some point. I don't miss the last F-body and I hope GM is resurrecting it correctly.
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