Not too shabby, a hair over 40mpg on the highway.
mpgomatic 13' Chevy Malibu Eco
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Not bad at all. Im liking the improvements in Chevy over the past few years. Im waiting for the cruze diesel. If it comes, I will be No.1 in line to get it.
Originally Posted By: FirstNissan
Not bad at all. Im liking the improvements in Chevy over the past few years. Im waiting for the cruze diesel. If it comes, I will be No.1 in line to get it.
Well better get in line now http://www.insideline.com/chevrolet/cruze/chevrolet-cruze-diesel-coming-in-2013.html
Not bad at all. Im liking the improvements in Chevy over the past few years. Im waiting for the cruze diesel. If it comes, I will be No.1 in line to get it.
Well better get in line now http://www.insideline.com/chevrolet/cruze/chevrolet-cruze-diesel-coming-in-2013.html
Nissan Altima 2013 to be introduced expects 27MPGcity /38MPG highway EPA in the 4 cylinder car with simple motor. I am waiting to see how good that is. No complexity of hybrid or wasted trunk space for less/similar MPG. Also no expensive diesel fuel in a family sized car.
It may fit our needs. The current lot of cars does not make it worth to buy new yet.
It may fit our needs. The current lot of cars does not make it worth to buy new yet.
I bet a malibu w/ an aluminum space frame and saturn-style plastic panels would gain a few more mpgs...
Originally Posted By: Nick R
Originally Posted By: FirstNissan
Not bad at all. Im liking the improvements in Chevy over the past few years. Im waiting for the cruze diesel. If it comes, I will be No.1 in line to get it.
Well better get in line now http://www.insideline.com/chevrolet/cruze/chevrolet-cruze-diesel-coming-in-2013.html
Numerous cars were coming to the USA with a diesel, but then got cancelled mysteriously.
I will believe it when I see it.
One reason the VW Jetta TDI is great is because it uses no DEF. Will the Cruze diesel (If it ever happens) use DEF?
Originally Posted By: FirstNissan
Not bad at all. Im liking the improvements in Chevy over the past few years. Im waiting for the cruze diesel. If it comes, I will be No.1 in line to get it.
Well better get in line now http://www.insideline.com/chevrolet/cruze/chevrolet-cruze-diesel-coming-in-2013.html
Numerous cars were coming to the USA with a diesel, but then got cancelled mysteriously.
I will believe it when I see it.
One reason the VW Jetta TDI is great is because it uses no DEF. Will the Cruze diesel (If it ever happens) use DEF?
Originally Posted By: artificialist
Originally Posted By: Nick R
Originally Posted By: FirstNissan
Not bad at all. Im liking the improvements in Chevy over the past few years. Im waiting for the cruze diesel. If it comes, I will be No.1 in line to get it.
Well better get in line now http://www.insideline.com/chevrolet/cruze/chevrolet-cruze-diesel-coming-in-2013.html
Numerous cars were coming to the USA with a diesel, but then got cancelled mysteriously.
I will believe it when I see it.
One reason the VW Jetta TDI is great is because it uses no DEF. Will the Cruze diesel (If it ever happens) use DEF?
DEF is a selective catalyst reductant (SCR) used to control NOx emissions.
Just like gasoline engines, diesel engines use EGR to control NOx emissions. Inert exhaust gasses are rerouted to in intake charge, displacing some of the combustable mixture in an effort to lower combustion chamber temperature, thus reducing NOx emissions. Diesels typically take this one step further and introduce an EGR cooler to the system, giving further capacity to reduce combustion chamber temperature.
To be sold in California, vehicles (including diesels) must meet LEV II emissions. This is equal to the EPA's Tier 2 Bin 5 emissions and limits NOx emissions to 0.05 g/mi.
The long and the short: A 2.0L engine doesn't require an SCR to meet those emissions numbers. Cooled EGR is all that's needed to keep NOx emissions in check. These small diesel engines don't use DEF in Europe and they'll likely not use them here either, being that Europe's emissions standards are *more* restrictive than ours anymore.
Larger engines, like those used in light duty pick-ups and heavy duty over-the-road trucks, are a different story altogether. Figure that the smallest of the pick-up diesels was the older Ford 6.0L Powerstroke. That's three times larger than the 2.0L in a VW or Cruze! Three times more air gets sucked in and expelled during each combustion cycle.
More displacement requires more EGR is required to dilute the incoming air charge. At it's peak, some truck diesels were running as high as 35% EGR dilution to keep NOx emissions under control. EGR in itself generally reduces effiency and the massive amount of EGR required to keep emissions in check caused some reliability problems, mainly in the form of clogged EGR valves and EGR coolers (Ford 6.0L and Cummins 6.7L are both known for this).
SCR in the form of DEF is really what saved the light duty pickups as we know them. The addition of SCR takes a lot of the burden off EGR for controlling NOx emissions, leading to a much more reliable and efficient engine operating model.
Originally Posted By: Nick R
Originally Posted By: FirstNissan
Not bad at all. Im liking the improvements in Chevy over the past few years. Im waiting for the cruze diesel. If it comes, I will be No.1 in line to get it.
Well better get in line now http://www.insideline.com/chevrolet/cruze/chevrolet-cruze-diesel-coming-in-2013.html
Numerous cars were coming to the USA with a diesel, but then got cancelled mysteriously.
I will believe it when I see it.
One reason the VW Jetta TDI is great is because it uses no DEF. Will the Cruze diesel (If it ever happens) use DEF?
DEF is a selective catalyst reductant (SCR) used to control NOx emissions.
Just like gasoline engines, diesel engines use EGR to control NOx emissions. Inert exhaust gasses are rerouted to in intake charge, displacing some of the combustable mixture in an effort to lower combustion chamber temperature, thus reducing NOx emissions. Diesels typically take this one step further and introduce an EGR cooler to the system, giving further capacity to reduce combustion chamber temperature.
To be sold in California, vehicles (including diesels) must meet LEV II emissions. This is equal to the EPA's Tier 2 Bin 5 emissions and limits NOx emissions to 0.05 g/mi.
The long and the short: A 2.0L engine doesn't require an SCR to meet those emissions numbers. Cooled EGR is all that's needed to keep NOx emissions in check. These small diesel engines don't use DEF in Europe and they'll likely not use them here either, being that Europe's emissions standards are *more* restrictive than ours anymore.
Larger engines, like those used in light duty pick-ups and heavy duty over-the-road trucks, are a different story altogether. Figure that the smallest of the pick-up diesels was the older Ford 6.0L Powerstroke. That's three times larger than the 2.0L in a VW or Cruze! Three times more air gets sucked in and expelled during each combustion cycle.
More displacement requires more EGR is required to dilute the incoming air charge. At it's peak, some truck diesels were running as high as 35% EGR dilution to keep NOx emissions under control. EGR in itself generally reduces effiency and the massive amount of EGR required to keep emissions in check caused some reliability problems, mainly in the form of clogged EGR valves and EGR coolers (Ford 6.0L and Cummins 6.7L are both known for this).
SCR in the form of DEF is really what saved the light duty pickups as we know them. The addition of SCR takes a lot of the burden off EGR for controlling NOx emissions, leading to a much more reliable and efficient engine operating model.
Thanks for posting that, NickR. Now everyone can see it is a big improvement over the previous Malibu. I have driven one that was brought to my plant for company car use and loved it. The video doesn't to it justice as to the improved interior and such. I posted about here a ways back but was pretty much beaten up by the regular haters here...LOL!
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Over 40 mpg in a full-size family sedan? Nice!
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