Motul V300 0w-40 competition

[svenson]

The required HTHS did change. The same exact engine I have now, a B58, was designed around BMW LL01 with a min HTHS of 3.5. After CAFE came into the picture they are now running BMW LL17FE+ which is HTHS of 2.6.

It is clear that B58 was designed for FE oils based on the coatings used. Even the original B58 used IROX coated bearings and they were back specified to LL-01FE in the US. TIS shows it as the recommended oil for even Gen 1 B58. There is no doubt that BMW had this transition in mind when developing the engine.

Designed to tolerate them might be a better description.

I posted the original manual above which included the N55 and B58 both showing LL01 as the recommended spec.

a full explaining answer is this:

Kschachn: As noted, a topic that has been beat to death multiple times and in a variety of ways. Left, right, up, down and sideways. Also very related to your previous thread Castrol Australia website different from USA.

Of course all of this was already answered by multiple individuals in multiple ways, but here we go again:

No engine is "designed around" a specific grade of oil. It can be designed as to allow operation with certain thinner grades without incurring excessive wear, but this does not preclude the use of a higher grade. An engine is not damaged by an oil with a higher HT/HS but it can be damaged by an oil where the film thickness is too low.

What automakers do now (both here in the US and nearly worldwide) is to chase after increasingly stringent CO2 emission levels. CAFE here in the US used to be based on fuel economy but it changed to align with UK and EU regulations about CO2. Automakers have various strategies to accomplish this and one of the strategies is to utilize design changes that permit the use of thinner and thinner lubricants within the vehicle. This applies to the transmission and elsewhere not just engine oil.

It has less and less to do with operating environment (ambient temperature) than it did years ago. One can see this in the widespread use of oil coolers and other attachments, so the oil can be kept at a temperature which is low enough as maintain an acceptable MOFT that won't damage the engine. Correspondingly the recommendations for oil grade (which despite gross misunderstandings on this are still only recommendations) are now based entirely on regulatory requirements rather than engineering.

Automakers are spending boatloads of money to meet CO2 regulations. Engine oil is just one of the ways this money is being spent.

 

[edyvw]

Ok guys, what is better for my application.

B58tu with upgraded hybrid turbo and fuel system upgraded, port injection running FULL E85. Short OCI’s. Weekend warrior, California climate. I want the absolute best oil and price is not an issue. I’m somewhere around 730whp for reference..

Options I’ve been looking at:

1. Motul xcess gen 2 5w40
2. Motul 300v 0w40 (is this best for full e85?)
3. Ravenol vmp 5w40
4. AMS oil xW40
5. Redline oil

@edyvw thoughts?

Go for something with less ester or no ester.
Ravenol or Amsoil, HPL? You are in CA, no need for 0W40. Go 5W40, preferably 10W40.
HPL BAS is very good for alcohol engines. 5W40 or if heavier needed bcs. dilution go 10W50.
https://www.advlubrication.com/collections/bad-ass-racing-oils/products/bad-ass-racing-oil

 

[FlyingTexan]

Go for something with less ester or no ester.
Ravenol or Amsoil, HPL? You are in CA, no need for 0W40. Go 5W40, preferably 10W40.
HPL BAS is very good for alcohol engines. 5W40 or if heavier needed bcs. dilution go 10W50.
https://www.advlubrication.com/collections/bad-ass-racing-oils/products/bad-ass-racing-oil

why avoid esters? just curious.

 

[edyvw]

why avoid esters? just curious.

Because they are formed from alcohol and acids, you want to stick to PAO or lower ester content. New 300V is friendlier to it; they actually advertise it for that use, but based on my conversation with Dave from HPL, I would go with HPL BAS in this case.

 

[svenson]

Go for something with less ester or no ester.
Ravenol or Amsoil, HPL? You are in CA, no need for 0W40. Go 5W40, preferably 10W40.
HPL BAS is very good for alcohol engines. 5W40 or if heavier needed bcs. dilution go 10W50.
https://www.advlubrication.com/collections/bad-ass-racing-oils/products/bad-ass-racing-oil

you said that 0x is a no for that use and fuel and you suggest 5x or 10x for dilution but then you suggest a 0x from hpl .
i am confused

 

[edyvw]

you said that 0x is a no for that use and fuel and you suggest 5x or 10x for dilution but then you suggest a 0x from hpl .
i am confused

Where do you see I suggest 0W?
Pay attention on drop down menu on the site!

 

[svenson]

0-20 hpl is a 0w oil ..

 

[edyvw]

0-20 hpl is a 0w oil ..View attachment 274935

When you open web site, move your coursor to drop down menu where it says 0W20.
Then, click on that arrow indicating drop down menu.
Once it opens, read through options available there.
Then click on oil choice.
Once you click on oil choice, choose quantity on another drop down menu.
Then add to cart.
I hope this helps you.

 

[svenson]

When you open web site, move your coursor to drop down menu where it says 0W20.
Then, click on that arrow indicating drop down menu.
Once it opens, read through options available there.
Then click on oil choice.
Once you click on oil choice, choose quantity on another drop down menu.
Then add to cart.
I hope this helps you.

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misunderstanding..thanks for explaining..is there somewhere where we can see specs from these bad ass oil/ grades? not just you ..anybody?

p.s. nice name for an oil, lol

 

[edyvw]

misunderstanding..thanks for explaining..is there somewhere where we can see specs from these bad ass oil/ grades? not just you ..anybody?

p.s. nice name for an oil, lol

At the bottom of the page sometimes there is a link to pdf, but I don’t think there is one for BAS.

 

[PortimaoG20]

Ok everyone, I did my first oil analysis with my b58 using Motul 5w40 Xcess Gen 2.

Oil change was done after 1,000 miles.
Please note my car is around 730whp and I have additional fueling (port injection).

@edyvw , thoughts on KV100 at 13.73cst ?

Is Fuel shearing the oil?

 

[scrllock]

Ok everyone, I did my first oil analysis with my b58 using Motul 5w40 Xcess Gen 2.

Oil change was done after 1,000 miles.
Please note my car is around 730whp and I have additional fueling (port injection).

@edyvw , thoughts on KV100 at 13.73cst ?

Is Fuel shearing the oil?

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Looks brand new. Run a full OCI and get dilution checked somewhere else. Try OAI/Polaris.

 

[edyvw]

Typical KV100 value of GEN2 is 13.5cst. So 13.73cstbis probably just withing margin of error. I don’t think it increased bcs. oxidation at such low mileage. What oil was in before that?
Other than that, there is nothing to see here. Run longer!

 

[FlyingTexan]

1k miles doesn’t seem enough!

 

[svenson]

on your discription you say

my b58 using Motul 5w40 Xcess Gen 2.

but on blackstone it says just Motul 5w40 Xcess ,not 2.combining what edy marked ,did you use the thicker Motul 5w40 Xcess gen 1?

if it does is GEN 2 ,another question is,was it SN version or SP?

 

[Popsy]

I thought gen.1 didn't have moly?

Edit: nevermind, gen.1 is pretty vague as I recall seing that oil like 20years ago? It probably went through several tweaks and reformulations.

 

[svenson]

I thought gen.1 didn't have moly?

Edit: nevermind, gen.1 is pretty vague as I recall seing that oil like 20years ago? It probably went through several tweaks and reformulations.

i saw an analysis somewhere ,maybe here that showed ,to my surprise,some moly,maybe a reformulation.

edy told me ,in a discussion we had in one thread that xcess gen 1 has stopped production in europe and what i see its just stock.i told him that it has recent production dates and labelling is different than last years.
i had a meeting with one sales representative and he told me that gen 1 in europe is still in production bcs. gen 2 is priced higher and they dont want to loose customer share, xcess gen 1 together with shell 5-40 are very popular ,they are good and cheap ,in europe ,they still make great numbers.

 

[travis8352]

i finally found a VOA and FTIR for motul 300v competition 0w40

 

[edyvw]

i saw an analysis somewhere ,maybe here that showed ,to my surprise,some moly,maybe a reformulation.

edy told me ,in a discussion we had in one thread that xcess gen 1 has stopped production in europe and what i see its just stock.i told him that it has recent production dates and labelling is different than last years.
i had a meeting with one sales representative and he told me that gen 1 in europe is still in production bcs. gen 2 is priced higher and they dont want to loose customer share, xcess gen 1 together with shell 5-40 are very popular ,they are good and cheap ,in europe ,they still make great numbers.

Gen1 is still in production? That is interesting. Not sure what is the point there. Maybe just lower price point.

 

[buster]

i finally found a VOA and FTIR for motul 300v competition 0w40

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Looks good. I wonder what/how much VM they use.

I know I get hung up on oxidation/ester but if you see the yellow that is the POE. In blue are where Amsoil SS and RL fall (RL top one). If that peak hits that blue, you'd more than likely see the oxidation value go to 60-90. *How much ester makes no difference in end product just pointing it out. It also won't account for different esters, but I think the correlation we see is due to the fact that PCMO's use similar types of POE.