The louder the pipes the smaller the equipment being compensated for.
Motorcycle exhaust noise levels
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Boy you really are spoiling for a fight even though I'm on your side here if your side is loud exhaust is dumb. Believe what you like, it is easy enough read between the lines in the consent decree... "evidence of tampering"...
I'm out.
If Harley chose to interpret that to mean they should deny warranty repairs because an "unapproved" exhaust is installed...you should realize that benefits their bottom line.
They have every reason ($$$) to interpret it that way AND claim that the government made them do it. You said it yourself, that violates MMWA ... how can a consent decree REQUIRE someone to violate a law? Do you think for a minute that the lawyers wouldn't have gotten that tossed out if that was really the case?
Exhaust pipes and muffers are not "Tuning Products". I am unable to find anything which says that exhaust pipes and mufflers are subject to CARB approval.
As an FYI, you don't "read between the lines" of a legal document. You read it exactly as it is written. This is not written to include mufflers and exhaust pipes as "Tuning Products".
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I love motorcycles and quality aftermarket exhausts. Proper exhausts keep the dBs reasonable until high RPM.
The problem is the proliferation of eBay junk and straight pipes.
The problem is the proliferation of eBay junk and straight pipes.
well, I put 200k+ on 2 different Electra Glides.. beauty of a Harley is it is repairable by anyone with modest mechanical ability..
that said have an aquaintence who is a GW lover... he was on his third and the sucker grenaded on him.. and I forget what it cost but it wasn't pretty... and the repair involved spilling the motorcycle in half and then spilitting the cases..ees.. whereas those old Big Twin, with separate engine, tranny and primary drive are quite serviceable... I think some of the end result depends on what your abilities are.. to be honest anything built by the MOCO before say the year 1985 is going to be cantankerous, but once you get into the Evolution stage and up to current, they are about as dependable as anything else.. you can't pull the engine on a Gold Wing like this...
this ^ note that ems drivers are taught that you out run your sirens at about 60 mph.
yes i know what the speed of sound is.
When you're going 120MPH on a 45MPH country road, you need loud pipes to warn other drivers who might pull out in front of you that you're coming.
The loud pipes also let the people who live near the 4-way stop on the country road intersection that you just blew through it without even slowing down.
I think the cops are stricter with commercial vehicles.
I remember being a young teenager we had a new neighbor George move in across the street. Nice guy him and my dad got along just fine. On early Sunday mornings weather permitting he would take his loud Harley for a ride full throttle right out of the garage. Dad caught him one morning and told him love you George but I'm giving you one warning pull away nice n quiet moving forward or we going to have a problem that I prefer not to have and you definitely don't want to have. George being a nice neighbor got the hint and did the right thing.
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Looks like this: While it might not be stamped by the EPA itself per se, it is shown to be in compliance, and Harley, or any other manufacturer would not put this on a bike and risk getting audited over it, just to "get past the EPA" I think you could already get the jist of what I was getting at.
There is a big difference between a "loud" pipe, and an "Obnoxious" one.
Well, we can tell the posts in this thread are void of a lot of motorcycle owners. ... and of course the motorcycle company that out sells every other brand in the USA combined gets brought up through ignorance. I suggest are more quiet Harleys percentage wise than sport bikes. Harley's are so popular they are called out by name, then every other brand in the USA is lumped into one group which equals the number of Harleys sold in the heavy weight market anyway.
More ignorance but has already pointed out by someone knowledgeable is the Exhaust on Harleys are stamped as meeting EPA requirements.
Another fails to understand if a bike is brought into a Harley dealer they can be liable if the bike has been tampered with and violates EPA standards if they work on it. (FACT)
Ok, now that the Harley thing has been cleared up, why not list every other brand in the USA with ear splitting high pitched exhausts?
More ignorance but has already pointed out by someone knowledgeable is the Exhaust on Harleys are stamped as meeting EPA requirements.
Another fails to understand if a bike is brought into a Harley dealer they can be liable if the bike has been tampered with and violates EPA standards if they work on it. (FACT)
Ok, now that the Harley thing has been cleared up, why not list every other brand in the USA with ear splitting high pitched exhausts?
Lots of examples of manufacturers, including Harley, who have violated EPA regulations and almost got away with it. Makes you wonder how many times it happens that they DO get away with it.
Here's the consent decree, maybe you can "read between the lines" and tell me how this applies to exhaust systems in any way:
https://www.epa.gov/sites/default/files/2017-12/documents/harleydavidson-cd.pdf
Your state law enforcement? You're asking a question that pertains to one state.
With that said, in many states there are also ear splitting noisy car exhaust. I would think that maybe more in states that do not require vehicle inspections?
I know most of you guys aren't motorcyclist.
Harley got in trouble some years back when they used to sell Screaming Eagle equipment for off road use only
which eventually ended up with the MOCO in a consent agreement with the EPA and they quit selling the stuff
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Harley got in trouble some years back when they used to sell Screaming Eagle equipment for off road use only
which eventually ended up with the MOCO in a consent agreement with the EPA and they quit selling the stuff
chrome-extension://oemmndcbldboiebfnladdacbdfmadadm/https://www.epa.gov/sites/default/files/2017-12/documents/harleydavidson-cd.pdf
Virginia has safety inspections and as long as the exhaust system is intact (not leaking), it can be as loud as you want and still pass.
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Yea, that was the subject of discussion here and it doesn't apply to exhaust systems, at least as far as my understanding of English works.
I don't mind loud exhausts.
It's the Harley ElectaWideLounge riders with their speakers cranked to max that really piss me off.
It's the Harley ElectaWideLounge riders with their speakers cranked to max that really piss me off.
They need them cranked to the max to hear the music over the loud pipes, maybe?
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