Maybe it's time for the manufacturer to have a much closer relationship/quality inspection with their suppliers.
More Boeing bad news
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Do you have personal knowledge that Boeing does not have a tight relationship with their suppliers? Or is this totally speculation on your part?
If they did have a tight relationship with their suppliers the FAA wouldn't have had to get involved.
https://www.faa.gov/newsroom/faa-increasing-oversight-boeing-production-and-manufacturing
Maybe the FAA is speculating something is wrong with the method of quality control.
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Again, do you have some inside knowledge of any concern within the FAA regarding Boeing and their suppliers, and FAA policy regarding aircraft manufacturers and their suppliers? Or is this purely conjecture?
The article you attached does not imply in any way that there is some lacking in Boeing's relationship with their suppliers.
No ! The only real fix is to only purchase raw materials from the ones (country's) that wish to take over your industry, and do the materials mixing pot in the US or do like Robert G LeTourneau, did in the day, he did most everything in house, and had almost total control over every aspect of his manufacturing. But instead many big US manufactures have factories in the country's that just learn how to build the product, and then supply junk to the factory's in the US, to help destroy their reputation and products.
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I have to wonder what’s going on - I hit new page on my computer and it’s always Boeing (and one person) they are attacking nonstop … Getting sick of it and don’t know why …
I landed here in a dreamer 3 days ago - nice flight in 2A …
My colleague just boarded an UA dreamer to cross the pond in Polaris and life is good - that’s real life for non losers …
Some real bad news for Boeing.
The circumstances surrounding the loss of the panel could have violated the deferred prosecution agreement Boeing agreed to resulting from the 737 Max fiasco. Complicating the matter is that Boeing is a large supplier to the DOD.
Per WSJ today,
"Under the 2021 deal, Boeing acknowledged its former employees misled air-safety regulators about aspects of the 737 MAX, and agreed to a deferred prosecution agreement, a form of corporate probation, which would have led to the dismissal of the charge had Boeing maintained a blemish-free record. A jury in Texas acquitted the only person charged in the case, a pilot whose role was to persuade regulators to approve less strenuous training for the planes.
Under the terms of the DOJ deal, prosecutors now have until July 7 to decide how to proceed, after the panel blew off the Alaska Airlines flight earlier this year. The department hasn’t accused the company of committing another crime, but said Boeing had violated a provision of its earlier deal that required it to have a compliance program designed to detect and prevent fraud."
The circumstances surrounding the loss of the panel could have violated the deferred prosecution agreement Boeing agreed to resulting from the 737 Max fiasco. Complicating the matter is that Boeing is a large supplier to the DOD.
Per WSJ today,
"Under the 2021 deal, Boeing acknowledged its former employees misled air-safety regulators about aspects of the 737 MAX, and agreed to a deferred prosecution agreement, a form of corporate probation, which would have led to the dismissal of the charge had Boeing maintained a blemish-free record. A jury in Texas acquitted the only person charged in the case, a pilot whose role was to persuade regulators to approve less strenuous training for the planes.
Under the terms of the DOJ deal, prosecutors now have until July 7 to decide how to proceed, after the panel blew off the Alaska Airlines flight earlier this year. The department hasn’t accused the company of committing another crime, but said Boeing had violated a provision of its earlier deal that required it to have a compliance program designed to detect and prevent fraud."
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It is about time for people to end up in prison when they knowingly mislead public. Remember, in 2008 only some poor stock broker who just started to work ended up in prison admitting securities fraud, and Maddoff, which was separate issue. All people who collapsed banks got pay offs and moved on.
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Watching congressional hearing, and Boing is absolute disaster. I have seen people with barely elementary education being better prepared for congressional hearing. He is actually not even aware what response Boeing sent to that same committee. And response itself is like they are purposefully trying to piss off Congress. An institution that is “not” known for arrogance and revenge.
This company won’t get it’s “stuff” together at best for a decade, if ever.
This company won’t get it’s “stuff” together at best for a decade, if ever.
The sacrificial lamb.
edyvw
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That is not the point. Yes he is gone, but to come there and say: no I am not aware what response company I am leading sent to you, is an achievement.
I mean, who are people who are around him? Even Dennis Muilenburg, whose empathy toward victims of MAX crashes resembled that of a brick, was better prepared.
He's probably afraid of accidentally lying because he may not have personally signed off on every bit of correspondence. IMO he's just there to take the heat and then move on to greener pastures.
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Very true. I would keep my mouth shut in his shoes as well.
The real issue here is Boeing's apparent inability to resolve its assembly problems.
The 787 program has had issues from the first, only revealed with the first rollout of what turned out to be a full-scale model airplane and the MAX has been a problem child from the first as well.
Both programs appear to have suffered from a lack of adequate upfront investment although for different reasons and both have cost Boeing multiples of what would have been involved in additional funding upfront.
It is a mystery to me that Boeing can't seem to resolve what would seem to be fairly simple assembly problems.
Is the culture really that broken?
The 787 program has had issues from the first, only revealed with the first rollout of what turned out to be a full-scale model airplane and the MAX has been a problem child from the first as well.
Both programs appear to have suffered from a lack of adequate upfront investment although for different reasons and both have cost Boeing multiples of what would have been involved in additional funding upfront.
It is a mystery to me that Boeing can't seem to resolve what would seem to be fairly simple assembly problems.
Is the culture really that broken?
All the quality standards that OEM Automotive introduced were all done to eliminate the need to do incoming inspections. If your supplier is certified to the latest & greatest, then you can - in theory - relax and use the stuff. Only when your customer finds a fault do you discover how the supplier actually certified their product and that's when the xxit hits the fan. Ask me how I know. I expect that aviation would be FAR stricter than Automotive, but lately I doubt it.
Apparently there are requirements in the supply chain. But I heard some claims that the problem was parts from China. However, the issue seemed to be more who produced the titanium, where the claimed Chinese supplier was fully certified, but they claimed that they never sold to the next company in the supply chain.
Business managers and accountants making engineering decisions about how to run a company while continuing to trim cost to MAXamize profit.
Just like trimming the fuel mixture on a fast running engine under load, trim it too lean for too long and bad things happen.
When people without an engineering background make engingering decisions, they have rose to their level of Incompitance.
Mark Twain: "History does not repeat, but it rhimes."
Nothing new to see here. Just history repeating itself in a different rhyme.
Remember the airline executive who ordered incorrect loading of an aircraft resulting in a fatal crash. Another example of people rising up in a bureaucracy to a level of incompetence, where they end up making critical decisions they are not qualified to be making, resulting in costing people's lives, or close calls that could have caused loss of lives.
Just like trimming the fuel mixture on a fast running engine under load, trim it too lean for too long and bad things happen.
When people without an engineering background make engingering decisions, they have rose to their level of Incompitance.
Mark Twain: "History does not repeat, but it rhimes."
Nothing new to see here. Just history repeating itself in a different rhyme.
Remember the airline executive who ordered incorrect loading of an aircraft resulting in a fatal crash. Another example of people rising up in a bureaucracy to a level of incompetence, where they end up making critical decisions they are not qualified to be making, resulting in costing people's lives, or close calls that could have caused loss of lives.
So it has been alleged that this parts problem spans decades.
Former Boeing inspector alleges ‘scrap’ parts ended up on assembly lines
https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/03/business/former-boeing-inspector-scrap-parts-assembly-lines
Former Boeing inspector alleges ‘scrap’ parts ended up on assembly lines
https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/03/business/former-boeing-inspector-scrap-parts-assembly-lines
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I think acquiring or re-acquiring Spirit Aerospace is a good first step in that they should be able to improve their QC. Of course, they also need to step up QC in final assembly.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/com...s-for-the-stock/ar-BB1paMZ6?ocid=BingNewsSerp
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/com...s-for-the-stock/ar-BB1paMZ6?ocid=BingNewsSerp
