Mopar Oil Filters from the Mopar store

[RBT]

It’s obvious M+H ‘s QC issues are also present in their Mopar OEM filters. Hard pass for me to run one on my expensive nice Jeep. Many other great alternatives.

Again, why did you buy the truck then? They did a great job on the whole vehicle and then sh#t the proverbial bed on the filter?

Whatever, we are not getting anywhere here. I've taken a very reasonable view - that there are alternatives that are good filters, if not better, no question. Issue is whether the factory one is inadequate. We can debate that all day long, but it is illogical, with all respect, to buy an expensive vehicle and then try to discern which parts in the truck are good, and which are junk.

All this puts to the side that the original post was about a fair price on Mopar oil filters, which you and others have clogged up with debates about filters generally. But this is why the internet exists - as PT Barnum said, there's an ass for every seat.

 

[kschachn]

It’s obvious M+H ‘s QC issues are also present in their Mopar OEM filters. Hard pass for me to run one on my expensive nice Jeep. Many other great alternatives.

At some point you have to realize you’re not having a rational discussion.

 

[GW.]

Again, why did you buy the truck then? They did a great job on the whole vehicle and then sh#t the proverbial bed on the filter?

Whatever, we are not getting anywhere here. I've taken a very reasonable view - that there are alternatives that are good filters, if not better, no question. Issue is whether the factory one is inadequate. We can debate that all day long, but it is illogical, with all respect, to buy an expensive vehicle and then try to discern which parts in the truck are good, and which are junk.

All this puts to the side that the original post was about a fair price on Mopar oil filters, which you and others have clogged up with debates about filters generally. But this is why the internet exists - as PT Barnum said, there's an ass for every seat.

Because M+H didn’t build the truck…..

If you base your vehicle purchases on OEM oil filter quality you wouldn’t have very many options. I suggest spending some time here researching C&P’s to get a good understanding of the oil filter market.

Next time I suggest posting in the sales, promotions, and rebates section. In the oil filter section we discuss “oil filters”…

 

[4wd]

At some point you have to realize you’re not having a rational discussion.

Sometimes early on with much to follow

 

[4wd]

Because M+H didn’t build the truck…..

If you base your vehicle purchases on OEM oil filter quality you wouldn’t have very many options.

 

[GW.]

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A very nice option for us Jeep owners.

 

[Hootbro]

All this puts to the side that the original post was about a fair price on Mopar oil filters, which you and others have clogged up with debates about filters generally. But this is why the internet exists - as PT Barnum said, there's an ass for every seat.

I think it comes down to "value" and most do not see the value in what you bought for already stated reasons.

 

[RBT]

At some point you have to realize you’re not having a rational discussion.

It is easier to snicker than actually make arguments.

 

[RBT]

Because M+H didn’t build the truck

As someone who says they worked in the auto industry, you do realize that 20 plus years ago when I did work in that area the percentage of parts that were provided by outside suppliers was probably about half (including captive subs). Today that percentage is much higher - probably 3/4ths if not more, as all of the majors have divested a lot of the captive parts subs. (Heck, the original BMW X3 was built entirely by Magna Steyr as an example of this trend.) This is why the point you are making is not salient. The vast majority of parts in your Jeep - I would guess at least 75% - were not made by Stellantis but buy a supplier, under contract, with original and ongoing quality control specs that get checked regularly on site at a factory and when parts fail. So when you buy that vehicle and fork over that money, you are making a bet of sorts not just on Jeep/Stellantis, but on the process that they use to obtain the vast majority of parts used in your Jeep. You are selecting one part you claim is inadequate but have confidence in the rest of the vehicle. Have you analyzed the other 25,000 or so parts in the vehicle to see if they are up to snuff? Ok, whatever, you keep banging that drum.

 

[GW.]

As someone who says they worked in the auto industry, you do realize that 20 plus years ago when I did work in that area the percentage of parts that were provided by outside suppliers was probably about half (including captive subs). Today that percentage is much higher - probably 3/4ths if not more, as all of the majors have divested a lot of the captive parts subs. (Heck, the original BMW X3 was built entirely by Magna Steyr as an example of this trend.) This is why the point you are making is not salient. The vast majority of parts in your Jeep - I would guess at least 75% - were not made by Stellantis but buy a supplier, under contract, with original and ongoing quality control specs that get checked regularly on site at a factory and when parts fail. So when you buy that vehicle and fork over that money, you are making a bet of sorts not just on Jeep/Stellantis, but on the process that they use to obtain the vast majority of parts used in your Jeep. You are selecting one part you claim is inadequate but have confidence in the rest of the vehicle. Have you analyzed the other 25,000 or so parts in the vehicle to see if they are up to snuff? Ok, whatever, you keep banging that drum.

Each part/fluid I replace, if need be, gets researched for the best option. Pretty simple. Perfect example: I’m getting ready to replace the touchscreen in one of my vehicles now. I found an aftermarket company that makes a screen that doesn’t delaminate like the OEM. You can keep blindly making recommendations. I try to help people.

 

[AuthorEditor]

My guess is that manufacturers know that filter quality makes no measurable difference in a vehicle making it past warranty and well beyond, except in the case of actual filter failure. I bet they focus on construction above everything else, but it mainly just has to be leakroof under ordinary conditions. I would guess also that 99% of filter problems seen by dealers have to do with customer abuse running the filter too long or never changing it. I once talked to someone at a gas station after she asked me for help with her oil light. I checked and there was nothing visible on the dipstick. She was surprised that she needed to check the oil ever since it was a leased car and only a few years old. I suspect that car had seen no maintenance since it left the dealer. Bottom line is if you change your oil and filter at reasonable intervals using any commercially available products you are doing more than enough to make it out of warranty.

 

[kschachn]

My guess is that manufacturers know that filter quality makes no measurable difference in a vehicle making it past warranty and well beyond, except in the case of actual filter failure. I bet they focus on construction above everything else, but it mainly just has to be leakroof under ordinary conditions. I would guess also that 99% of filter problems seen by dealers have to do with customer abuse running the filter too long or never changing it. I once talked to someone at a gas station after she asked me for help with her oil light. I checked and there was nothing visible on the dipstick. She was surprised that she needed to check the oil ever since it was a leased car and only a few years old. I suspect that car had seen no maintenance since it left the dealer. Bottom line is if you change your oil and filter at reasonable intervals using any commercially available products you are doing more than enough to make it out of warranty.

Nevertheless it does border on irrationality to continue using something that has been shown to be defective. I used to be a Toyota OEM filter person, but I was shown and comprehended that they did not have the filtering efficiency of other filters. I didn’t make endless comments that “it’s a Toyota so I use their filters” or “it will be good enough to make it through the warranty” or “I don’t want any warranty issues”, or otherwise try and justify what is at its basis an irrational argument. That’s what we have here.

Sometimes if that’s your point then just say, “yeah you’re right but I just want to keep using them anyway”. That would have ended the discussion a long time ago.

 

[RBT]

Each part/fluid I replace, if need be, gets researched for the best option. Pretty simple. Perfect example: I’m getting ready to replace the touchscreen in one of my vehicles now. I found an aftermarket company that makes a screen that doesn’t delaminate like the OEM. You can keep blindly making recommendations. I try to help people.

Or you can buy a car where the screen doesn’t delaminate and find better uses of your time. You are illustrating what is know as a fool’s errand. Moreover, are you really trying to help people, or bully people into your way of thinking?

 

[RBT]

Nevertheless it does border on irrationality to continue using something that has been shown to be defective. I used to be a Toyota OEM filter person, but I was shown and comprehended that they did not have the filtering efficiency of other filters. I didn’t make endless comments that “it’s a Toyota so I use their filters” or “it will be good enough to make it through the warranty” or “I don’t want any warranty issues”, or otherwise try and justify what is at its basis an irrational argument. That’s what we have here.

Sometimes if that’s your point then just say, “yeah you’re right but I just want to keep using them anyway”. That would have ended the discussion a long time ago.

The problem with your analysis is that the original filter like the rest of the specs of the car is not defective, or Toyota would simply not have the reliability reputation it does. It is not saying that there aren’t more effective filters, it’s about whether that is really material to the service life of the vehicle. You have joined the group think here that it has, and so you belittle others rather than engage the argument. On the Stellantis Mopar filter, I have a heavier burden there on the argument given the company’s historic mixed reliability reputation. But on Toyota, which has the best reputation for reliability in the industry, you really think the filter is a risk? Do you think the Taliban really frets over what filter to use in their pre runners?

This is all about perspective and materiality, that’s really all.

 

[kschachn]

The problem with your analysis is that the original filter like the rest of the specs of the car is not defective, or Toyota would simply not have the reliability reputation it does. It is not saying that there aren’t more effective filters, it’s about whether that is really material to the service life of the vehicle. You have joined the group think here that it has, and so you belittle others rather than engage the argument. On the Stellantis Mopar filter, I have a heavier burden there on the argument given the company’s historic mixed reliability reputation. But on Toyota, which has the best reputation for reliability in the industry, you really think the filter is a risk? Do you think the Taliban really frets over what filter to use in their pre runners?

This is all about perspective and materiality, that’s really all.

This is exactly what I was referring to.

Taliban notwithstanding.

 

[RBT]

This is exactly what I was referring to.

Taliban notwithstanding.

Exactly. You have no argument. You take something that is true but greatly exaggerated it’s importance.

 

[AuthorEditor]

Lets put it this way. I have never had to retire a vehicle due to engine failure. Here in the Great Northeast they eventually get scrapped when the rust is too much to deal with economically. But, I have managed close to 200,000 on many vehicles still running like a top when I drove them to the scrapyard, and many of them were run on bargain oil and filters. Frnkly, I have found that gas quality makes more difference, and I stopped purchasing at cheapy stations long ago due to many gunked up intakes, failed sensors and cats, and poor performance. The typical BITOGer will change the oil and filter at regular intervals, which get you 95% of the life possible. Using a better oil and filter might gain you a bit, but will you want to keep the car long enough to find out?

 

[kschachn]

Using a better oil and filter might gain you a bit, but will you want to keep the car long enough to find out?

I probably do.

But why not use a better oil and filter? What’s the argument against that?

 

[AuthorEditor]

But why not use a better oil and filter? What’s the argument against that?

Cost and convenience, and some are worried it might be a warranty issue. I don't have that problem since I stopped buying new cars long ago. Cost and convenience means I purchase most of my oil and filters from Walmart, so what is available there heavily influences what I buy.

 

[wwillson]

Knock off the silly bickering