Don't see the OP's application specifics; are we talking about the Mopar 4884899 (MO-899)? If so, they're $7.88 each at Wal-Mart. Why not just buy them as needed?
Mopar Oil Filters from the Mopar store
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Another option is to include it as part of the AAP or AZ bundle. $37.99 I paid for 5qts of Restore and Protect and a Mopar MO-339 filter.
The last couple MO-339's I cut open all looked good pleat wise, louvers open, nice bottom bypass like the Premium Guards. I'm doing the same until warranty is up for another couple months. The Renegade got a new motor at 82k miles and involved some oil usage testing etc. As some others, one less thing to worry about. After warranty I will be Premium Guards at least for now.
I'm doing the same with daughter-in-laws Hyundai Tucson, factory filters through warranty. The only under warranty vehicle not getting factory filter is my Pilot. Sadly / Happily I have a good rapport with the technicians, advisor and service manager. They know I have my documentation for all as well as UOA's. That was on Honda filters for a while because I had a supply BUT they were the better filters for S2000. It's now on "famous brands PG4612EX" from Rock Auto which are Premium Guards.
The last couple MO-339's I cut open all looked good pleat wise, louvers open, nice bottom bypass like the Premium Guards. I'm doing the same until warranty is up for another couple months. The Renegade got a new motor at 82k miles and involved some oil usage testing etc. As some others, one less thing to worry about. After warranty I will be Premium Guards at least for now.
I'm doing the same with daughter-in-laws Hyundai Tucson, factory filters through warranty. The only under warranty vehicle not getting factory filter is my Pilot. Sadly / Happily I have a good rapport with the technicians, advisor and service manager. They know I have my documentation for all as well as UOA's. That was on Honda filters for a while because I had a supply BUT they were the better filters for S2000. It's now on "famous brands PG4612EX" from Rock Auto which are Premium Guards.
Always fun and interesting to watch when MMWA comes into a discussion, this just one example. Personally, I've often referenced it when topic of my standard practice of using aftermarket filters of my choice, even under warranty for my Hondas. That said, I understand the legal vs practical application of the "Act" and who has the deeper pockets. I'm willing to assume whatever risk (generally minor I think) there might be. Otoh, if others get some peace of mind using OEM, their vehicles, their call. I can give my point of view and long time experience on it, but ultimately it's a personal choice, not my job/place to convince otherwise. I expect same with my choices in 'some' aftermarket filters, which I'm confident don't pass muster with some. My .02
I will check the number but I don’t know offhand because on Mopar.com, I have an account so the stuff I order is by VIN.
That is a good deal at Walmart but there is not one all that convenient to me. But I am curious -that’s a good deal -so I will check the number on the filter. Thanks!
Last two stories from my dealer days I promise.
The FTC issued an alert allowing the use of recycled and remanufactured parts without voiding warranty. At the time AC Delco started accepting core returns for alternators, starters, and even radios. These and aftermarket parts can be used.
We did have one successful complete warranty denial on a whole vehicle that was struck by lightning!! That was interesting for sure.
The FTC issued an alert allowing the use of recycled and remanufactured parts without voiding warranty. At the time AC Delco started accepting core returns for alternators, starters, and even radios. These and aftermarket parts can be used.
We did have one successful complete warranty denial on a whole vehicle that was struck by lightning!! That was interesting for sure.
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I now know who I need to ping if I ever get a warranty problem!
On the lightning, how did the car get hit? I always thought I was safe in a car during a thunderstorm because of the tires. That must have been a mess.
Lightning can be scary stuff. A number of years ago, the farm where my wife used to keep the horses, one of the horses was hit by lightning and died. Pretty terrible.
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The car was parked outside during a severe thunderstorm. You could see carbon tracking going from all the rims and down the sidewalls of the tires to the ground. It took days for the tech working on it to figure it out. All kinds of electrical problems. The customer didn’t know it happened but we put two and two together with the recent storm and discovering the carbon tracking.
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Does it say in the OM or in the Chrysler warranty statement that OEM filters and Pennzoil must be used (required) to maintain the warranty? If so, then per the MMW Act they must also provide those products for free to the customer.
OEM filters are manufactured by aftermarket filter companies, and yes they do make some junky OEM oil filters. "OEM" Motorcraft oil filters have been seen to have multiple quality issues is one example. Mann+Hummel makes OEM filters, and they can have quaity issues too. They are not anything any more special then the other filters they make under various brand names.
I don't think anyone here will argue with your post.
However, it comes down to one word.
Hassle
Is it worth the hassle when someone else may be footing the bill for a repair? I am not suing a company over an oil filter.
That's for each person to decide. I can care less what people use on their own machinery. If my car was still under warranty I wouldn't use the OEM Motorcrafts knowing what I know about them these days. I'd take my chances (which would be a very low chance of filter issues) with a PGI extended use filter instead.
Does the Chrysler warranty statement explicitly say an OEM filter must be used to maintain vehicle warranty? If it does, they need to give the filter to customers for free. Same with the Pennzoil.
We have argued enough. If you think the manufacturer is too incompetent to specify an adequate filter why buy the car? Not rational, with all respect and this is ground covered above. Doesn’t mean there aren’t good aftermarket alternatives (have used many without issues) but the Napa near me closed and I shared a good deal for a truck I have that is under warranty. That’s really all.
It's been shown that OEM filters can be junk. A car manufacturer specifying specifications, and contracting a company to manufacture the filter without quality issues are two different things. Seems car companies don't really monitor the quality of their products being made by other companies. Like said, I could care less what people decide to use ... just pointing out reality.
Exactly. Also why many of us spend time and money posting c&p’s here on BITOG. So others can make informed decisions about filters. How many manufacturers have we informed at this point about QC problems? I know I’ve informed several…
This is inaccurate. Car companies have pretty stringent requirements for their subs. Doesn’t mean they are perfect - far from it - but they have testing and controls around it. I used to do a lot of work for a very large parts suppliers that supplied a number of the majors and this was a challenging aspect of the business. There are standards, chargebacks, and other significant financial penalties.
Again, how is any of this relevant to the original post? Do you even own a Chrysler vehicle or a specific concern around a Mopar branded filter?
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You missed the point. You can have the best engineering design specifications and requirements in the world, and give those to a place to manufacture the product to the specs, but they can fail and instead manufacture junk if there is no stringent QA involved. That is how oil filters (including OEM filters) show up with quality issues all the time. And it's pretty evident that car makers don't seem to check up and monitor the quality of the oil filters being made for them. Read what @GW. said in post 35.
I wouldn't doubt that some Motorcrafts like that caused some engine issues with that junk black glue shedding off and going into the oiling system. It's been verified that glue has shown up in oil drain pans, so it can get into the engine through the bypass valve. This is why I dropped Motorcrafts like a hot potato. I'm not risking any possible engine problems over a junk oil filter.
No I did not. A sampling of Parts that generate warranty expense are returned for the purpose of checking specification. Further, the subs themselves are subject to specification checks both before the awarding of a contract and during production. For example, one client produced for Toyota (dashboard vents) and a certain sample had to be sent to Toyota, or Toyota would show up and inspect. GM was similar but not quite as stringent.
No system is perfect and yes failures exist but the
Manufacturers have strong reputational and financial incentives at stake and behave accordingly. Doesn’t mean there aren’t good aftermarket filters but it’s a stretch to argue the original filter is inadequate.
