Mobil1 users are the most stubborn people I've....

[Bill in Utah]

The same can be said with Valvoline, QS, Pennzoil and others.

Many many more miles are done on other oils than Mobil 1.

Don't see threads here with pages and pages commenting on other oils.

Take care, bill

 

[StevieC]

 

[buster]

Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
The same can be said with Valvoline, QS, Pennzoil and others.

Many many more miles are done on other oils than Mobil 1.

Don't see threads here with pages and pages commenting on other oils.

Take care, bill


Sorry Bill but that isn't true at all. Valvoline/Pennzoil have never been leaders in the synthetic oil world. They have a long history but nothing like Mobil. Not even close.

I'm referring to strictly the synthetic oil "world"...not conventional oils. Mobil 1 has always been kind of a gold standard among synthetic oils.

 

[Bill in Utah]

What is not true?

More miles ARE operated with Pennzoil, Valvoline or Qs than Mobil 1.

I have not seen threads about Pennzoil, Valvoline or QS going on pages and pages. Can not remember any threads that have been locked like Mobil 1 threads...

Mobil 1 being the "gold" standard to whom? Mobil 1 users?

Plenty of folks don't consider it a "gold" standard. In the past and or now. They did not need Valvoline to tell them anything.

What was not true in my statement?

Thanks, bill

 

[tenderloin]

Bill You wouldn't pay for M1 or any other premium priced oil regardless of how good it is. You shop for the lowest price goods that get good results. ...which is great. But IMO your opinion besides your uoa's which you clutch as the gospel is tainted strictly on price. Just admit it and stop the holier than thou [censored].

BTW the previous poster was talking about synthetic oils not conventinal oil. But you knew that...

 

[tenderloin]

PT1 You being a expert and all...then you know the small numbers most of these specialty vehicles and mfgs put out. Added up they amount to less than a drop in the bucket and are not a consideration in why they use M1...particularly if it is as some claim a inferior product.

You can make a case for the bean counters on many other areas/massed produced cars, but for many of the specialty/low production vehicles that are factory fill Mobil 1.... No way.

 

[Bill in Utah]

Talk about holier than thou posts...

And please don't assume what I know. I at least try other oils and try to post facts. (Like Amsoil for example. That was not given to me)

I don't have to justify waste. I'll admit it right off the bat.

Don't understand your statement of my UOAs are tainted on price?

Whatever.

Take care, bill

 

[tom slick]

Anything "premium" or "niche" has its staunch supporters and antagonists. Oil, cameras, electronics, computers, wine, beer, cookware, bicycles, golf clubs, food...

you've just been around a collection of Mobil1 fans. Think about how many believe Apple products are divine yet how many have nothing good to say. Linux is the best, or is it?

once you buy into the club, nothing is as good. If people belong to that club, they are idiots. it goes on and on. This thread is proof.

 

[Bill in Utah]

Originally Posted By: tom slick
Anything "premium" or "niche" has its staunch supporters and antagonists. Oil, cameras, electronics, computers, wine, beer, cookware, bicycles, golf clubs, food...

you've just been around a collection of Mobil1 fans. Think about how many believe Apple products are divine yet how many have nothing good to say. Linux is the best, or is it?

once you buy into the club, nothing is as good. If people belong to that club, they are idiots. it goes on and on. This thread is proof.

Very well put!

Bill

PS: Does this mean that Martha Stewart cookware is no good?

 

[FrankN4]

Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
Originally Posted By: tom slick
Anything "premium" or "niche" has its staunch supporters and antagonists. Oil, cameras, electronics, computers, wine, beer, cookware, bicycles, golf clubs, food...

you've just been around a collection of Mobil1 fans. Think about how many believe Apple products are divine yet how many have nothing good to say. Linux is the best, or is it?

once you buy into the club, nothing is as good. If people belong to that club, they are idiots. it goes on and on. This thread is proof.

Very well put!

Bill

PS: Does this mean that Martha Stewart cookware is no good?

No. Martha Stewart is very good, It is MIRRO that is no good.

 

[Audi Junkie]

 

[1sttruck]

One of the few synthetic OEM oils that I know of that isn't M1 is the Motorcraft 5W50 for the Ford GT. What are others ?

 

[buster]

Castrol makes some decent OEM factory fill oils that are much better than the Syntec we've had here in the U.S.. The U.S. Syntec is a very below avg oil.

 

[Brian Barnhart]

Many people are strongly supportive of Mobil 1 because the brand has a good track record and proud history. Unfortunately, some things in their recent history haven’t been handled well (base oil issue, and the recent Seq IVA issue). When I used M1 in the past, I was very pleased with the results. And many others have praised the results they had with M1 in the past.

But now isn’t the past, and oils change over time, including M1. And there is no promise of top notch oils or results from their oils in the future. E-M’s carefully worded statements do not deny the claim made by Ashland, and therefore essentially confirm what Ashland disclosed. So that leaves the consumer wondering if the 5W30 problem was corrected, and if so, when?

E-M has lost my trust and business even though I had good results from their M1 product in the past. For me, good results in the past were not enough by themselves to secure my future business. I’d suggest that instead of relying on past results, E-M needs to bolster trust in their brand, and give people solid reasons to choose M1 going forward.

 

[Rolf]

Originally Posted By: Brian Barnhart
Unfortunately, some things in their recent history haven't been handled well (base oil issue, and the recent Seq IVA issue).


Of course there are those who don’t see either issue.

ExxonMobil, it turned out, labeled motor oils in countries where required as Group III, PAO, or a mix, and in countries in the US where it wasn't they didn't.

They also refused to join the "base stock" wars then and the "Sequence IVA" now, and I concur in their approach.

98% of their buyers never heard of either issue and the only relevant issue is how the motor oil works in a particular vehicle.

Originally Posted By: Brian Barnhart
And there is no promise of top notch oils or results from their oils in the future.


Delvac 1 and some its closely related recent motor oils seem to give excellent results.

Originally Posted By: Brian Barnhart
E-M's carefully worded statements do not deny the claim made by Ashland, and therefore essentially confirm what Ashland disclosed.


A number of us do not agree.



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[buster]

Quote:
98% of their buyers never heard of either issue and the only relevant issue is how the motor oil works in a particular vehicle.


I agree with Brian's view. The relevant issue is how the oil works in a particular vehicle and if your product is not passing the Seq IVA wear test, then it's not working as it should be and the consumer is getting ripped off.

Because people don't know or care about the Seq IVA wear test doesn't mean Mobil 1 does not have to meet it nor does it mean it's not important. Especially to the hard core auto enthusiast crowd like we have here. Those folks do care.

It's up to XOM to regain people's trust that are loosing faith in the brand name. Not the consumer.

 

[Rolf]

Originally Posted By: buster
The relevant issue is how the oil works in a particular vehicle and if your product is now passing the Seq IVA wear test, it's not working as it should be and the consumer is getting ripped off.

Because people don't know or care about the Seq IVA wear test doesn't mean Mobil 1 does not have to meet it nor does it mean it's not important.


The evidence that any Mobil 1 formula does not meet its specifications is a bit ..... lacking.







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[Drew99GT]

The evidence that some people don't want to believe it surely isn't













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[mva]

Originally Posted By: Rolf

The evidence that any Mobil 1 formula does not meet its specifications is a bit ..... lacking.

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The evidence that Mobil 1 5W30 meets its specifications is a bit ..... lacking.

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: mva
Originally Posted By: Rolf

The evidence that any Mobil 1 formula does not meet its specifications is a bit ..... lacking.

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The evidence that Mobil 1 5W30 meets its specifications is a bit ..... lacking.


The API have not pulled their license.
The ACEA has not pulled their license.
GM has not pulled their license.
Honda has not pulled their license.
Ford has not pulled their license.
Chrysler has not pulled their license.

At this point in time, the oil is still completely certified. So in fact, the evidence that the oil DOES meet its specifications is far more plentiful (and from a LOT more sources) than the single (potentially biased) source that says it does not.