Also too.. The Manufacturers you names above aren't reporting problems with their vehicle performance etc.
Mobil1 users are the most stubborn people I've....
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Originally Posted By: Rolf
Originally Posted By: buster
The relevant issue is how the oil works in a particular vehicle and if your product is now passing the Seq IVA wear test, it's not working as it should be and the consumer is getting ripped off.
Because people don't know or care about the Seq IVA wear test doesn't mean Mobil 1 does not have to meet it nor does it mean it's not important.
The evidence that any Mobil 1 formula does not meet its specifications is a bit ..... lacking.
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Ashland went to the trouble and expense to prove Mobil 1 5W30 does not meet the spec.
If you are so sure why don't you have some Mobil 1 5W30 tested and then give us your findings???
Originally Posted By: buster
The relevant issue is how the oil works in a particular vehicle and if your product is now passing the Seq IVA wear test, it's not working as it should be and the consumer is getting ripped off.
Because people don't know or care about the Seq IVA wear test doesn't mean Mobil 1 does not have to meet it nor does it mean it's not important.
The evidence that any Mobil 1 formula does not meet its specifications is a bit ..... lacking.
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Ashland went to the trouble and expense to prove Mobil 1 5W30 does not meet the spec.
If you are so sure why don't you have some Mobil 1 5W30 tested and then give us your findings???
Originally Posted By: endeavor to persevere
Originally Posted By: Rolf
Originally Posted By: buster
The relevant issue is how the oil works in a particular vehicle and if your product is now passing the Seq IVA wear test, it's not working as it should be and the consumer is getting ripped off.
Because people don't know or care about the Seq IVA wear test doesn't mean Mobil 1 does not have to meet it nor does it mean it's not important.
The evidence that any Mobil 1 formula does not meet its specifications is a bit ..... lacking.
.
Ashland went to the trouble and expense to prove Mobil 1 5W30 does not meet the spec.
If you are so sure why don't you have some Mobil 1 5W30 tested and then give us your findings???
I don't know about you, but I don't have enough coin to run enough Seq. IVA tests to get significant results. If you do, kudos to you.
Originally Posted By: Rolf
Originally Posted By: buster
The relevant issue is how the oil works in a particular vehicle and if your product is now passing the Seq IVA wear test, it's not working as it should be and the consumer is getting ripped off.
Because people don't know or care about the Seq IVA wear test doesn't mean Mobil 1 does not have to meet it nor does it mean it's not important.
The evidence that any Mobil 1 formula does not meet its specifications is a bit ..... lacking.
.
Ashland went to the trouble and expense to prove Mobil 1 5W30 does not meet the spec.
If you are so sure why don't you have some Mobil 1 5W30 tested and then give us your findings???
I don't know about you, but I don't have enough coin to run enough Seq. IVA tests to get significant results. If you do, kudos to you.
Originally Posted By: Nyquist
Originally Posted By: endeavor to persevere
Originally Posted By: Rolf
Originally Posted By: buster
The relevant issue is how the oil works in a particular vehicle and if your product is now passing the Seq IVA wear test, it's not working as it should be and the consumer is getting ripped off.
Because people don't know or care about the Seq IVA wear test doesn't mean Mobil 1 does not have to meet it nor does it mean it's not important.
The evidence that any Mobil 1 formula does not meet its specifications is a bit ..... lacking.
.
Ashland went to the trouble and expense to prove Mobil 1 5W30 does not meet the spec.
If you are so sure why don't you have some Mobil 1 5W30 tested and then give us your findings???
I don't know about you, but I don't have enough coin to run enough Seq. IVA tests to get significant results. If you do, kudos to you.
I don't either and it was a frivolous request aimed at some of those with their head in the sand.
Originally Posted By: endeavor to persevere
Originally Posted By: Rolf
Originally Posted By: buster
The relevant issue is how the oil works in a particular vehicle and if your product is now passing the Seq IVA wear test, it's not working as it should be and the consumer is getting ripped off.
Because people don't know or care about the Seq IVA wear test doesn't mean Mobil 1 does not have to meet it nor does it mean it's not important.
The evidence that any Mobil 1 formula does not meet its specifications is a bit ..... lacking.
.
Ashland went to the trouble and expense to prove Mobil 1 5W30 does not meet the spec.
If you are so sure why don't you have some Mobil 1 5W30 tested and then give us your findings???
I don't know about you, but I don't have enough coin to run enough Seq. IVA tests to get significant results. If you do, kudos to you.
I don't either and it was a frivolous request aimed at some of those with their head in the sand.
Originally Posted By: tenderloin
PT1 You being a expert and all...then you know the small numbers most of these specialty vehicles and mfgs put out. Added up they amount to less than a drop in the bucket and are not a consideration in why they use M1...particularly if it is as some claim a inferior product.
You can make a case for the bean counters on many other areas/massed produced cars, but for many of the specialty/low production vehicles that are factory fill Mobil 1.... No way.
Sure I almost forgot...they all employ a seperate accounting department for the specialty cars...
We ALL know money is no object in those cases.
PT1 You being a expert and all...then you know the small numbers most of these specialty vehicles and mfgs put out. Added up they amount to less than a drop in the bucket and are not a consideration in why they use M1...particularly if it is as some claim a inferior product.
You can make a case for the bean counters on many other areas/massed produced cars, but for many of the specialty/low production vehicles that are factory fill Mobil 1.... No way.
Sure I almost forgot...they all employ a seperate accounting department for the specialty cars...
Originally Posted By: Audi Junkie
NOW THAT IS A CLASSIC!!!
Thanks for the laugh..
NOW THAT IS A CLASSIC!!!
Originally Posted By: endeavor to persevere
Ashland went to the trouble and expense to prove Mobil 1 5W30 does not meet the spec.
That's certainly their advertising.
I still see API starbursts on the Mobil 1 on the shelves.
Do you have the name and address of the lab that Ashland used?
Can you tell me which of the three Mobil 1 5W-30 formulas sold in the US they tested?
How about the manufacturing date of the oil they tested?
Any facts at all?
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Ashland went to the trouble and expense to prove Mobil 1 5W30 does not meet the spec.
That's certainly their advertising.
I still see API starbursts on the Mobil 1 on the shelves.
Do you have the name and address of the lab that Ashland used?
Can you tell me which of the three Mobil 1 5W-30 formulas sold in the US they tested?
How about the manufacturing date of the oil they tested?
Any facts at all?
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Originally Posted By: endeavor to persevere
I don't either and it was a frivolous request .....
Out of the mouths of babes .....
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I don't either and it was a frivolous request .....
Out of the mouths of babes .....
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Originally Posted By: Rolf
Originally Posted By: endeavor to persevere
Ashland went to the trouble and expense to prove Mobil 1 5W30 does not meet the spec.
That's certainly their advertising.
I still see API starbursts on the Mobil 1 on the shelves.
Do you have the name and address of the lab that Ashland used?
Can you tell me which of the three Mobil 1 5W-30 formulas sold in the US they tested?
How about the manufacturing date of the oil they tested?
Any facts at all?
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They didn't feel that I was important enough to run this information by me.
But I'm surprised that they didn't copy you on it.
Originally Posted By: endeavor to persevere
Ashland went to the trouble and expense to prove Mobil 1 5W30 does not meet the spec.
That's certainly their advertising.
I still see API starbursts on the Mobil 1 on the shelves.
Do you have the name and address of the lab that Ashland used?
Can you tell me which of the three Mobil 1 5W-30 formulas sold in the US they tested?
How about the manufacturing date of the oil they tested?
Any facts at all?
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They didn't feel that I was important enough to run this information by me.
But I'm surprised that they didn't copy you on it.
Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
The evidence that some people don't want to believe it surely isn't .....
No lab name.
No lab address.
No indication which of three formulas was tested.
No indication of the date of manufacture or whether multiple batches were tested.
No reaction on the part of any licensor.
In fact, nothing but a bald-faced unsupported allegation by an outfit out to make a few shekels peddling its own motor oil.
What's to believe?
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The evidence that some people don't want to believe it surely isn't .....
No lab name.
No lab address.
No indication which of three formulas was tested.
No indication of the date of manufacture or whether multiple batches were tested.
No reaction on the part of any licensor.
In fact, nothing but a bald-faced unsupported allegation by an outfit out to make a few shekels peddling its own motor oil.
What's to believe?
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Originally Posted By: endeavor to persevere
They didn't feel that I was important enough to run this information by me.
Completely understandable.
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They didn't feel that I was important enough to run this information by me.
Completely understandable.
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Originally Posted By: mva
The evidence that Mobil 1 5W30 meets its specifications is a bit ..... lacking.
API starburst and multiple manufacturer approvals, all unrescinded and in good stead and standing.
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The evidence that Mobil 1 5W30 meets its specifications is a bit ..... lacking.
API starburst and multiple manufacturer approvals, all unrescinded and in good stead and standing.
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Originally Posted By: Rolf
Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
The evidence that some people don't want to believe it surely isn't .....
No lab name.
No lab address.
No indication which of three formulas was tested.
No indication of the date of manufacture or whether multiple batches were tested.
No reaction on the part of any licensor.
In fact, nothing but a bald-faced unsupported allegation by an outfit out to make a few shekels peddling its own motor oil.
What's to believe?
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So Valvoline is not telling the truth?
In today's environment? (IE.. sue your rear end off for NO reason)
You can bet (Valvoline did) that they have EVERYTHING lined up so when Mobil tries to sue them they are ready.
Also, I must have missed the headline of Mobil suing Valvoline...
I think it is safe to say that Valvoline has multiple bottles that have been to many independent labs with all the same results.
You just don't go off and say what Valvoline has done without everything triple checked plus....
Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
The evidence that some people don't want to believe it surely isn't .....
No lab name.
No lab address.
No indication which of three formulas was tested.
No indication of the date of manufacture or whether multiple batches were tested.
No reaction on the part of any licensor.
In fact, nothing but a bald-faced unsupported allegation by an outfit out to make a few shekels peddling its own motor oil.
What's to believe?
.
So Valvoline is not telling the truth?
In today's environment? (IE.. sue your rear end off for NO reason)
You can bet (Valvoline did) that they have EVERYTHING lined up so when Mobil tries to sue them they are ready.
Also, I must have missed the headline of Mobil suing Valvoline...
I think it is safe to say that Valvoline has multiple bottles that have been to many independent labs with all the same results.
You just don't go off and say what Valvoline has done without everything triple checked plus....
Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
So Valvoline is not telling the truth? .....
You can bet (Valvoline did) that they have EVERYTHING lined up so when Mobil tries to sue them they are ready.
I am not interested in a bet.
Nor am interested in your surmise "that Valvoline has multiple bottles that have been to many independent labs with all the same results."
I am interested in facts.
To this point all the facts that exist are an advertisement by Ashland.
When there are some facts to go with it, I'll look forward to considering them.
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So Valvoline is not telling the truth? .....
You can bet (Valvoline did) that they have EVERYTHING lined up so when Mobil tries to sue them they are ready.
I am not interested in a bet.
Nor am interested in your surmise "that Valvoline has multiple bottles that have been to many independent labs with all the same results."
I am interested in facts.
To this point all the facts that exist are an advertisement by Ashland.
When there are some facts to go with it, I'll look forward to considering them.
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Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
I think it is safe to say that Valvoline has multiple bottles that have been to many independent labs with all the same results.
You just don't go off and say what Valvoline has done without everything triple checked plus....
Valvoline/Ashland stated "an independent lab", no mention of multiple labs from what I could see....
I think it is safe to say that Valvoline has multiple bottles that have been to many independent labs with all the same results.
You just don't go off and say what Valvoline has done without everything triple checked plus....
Valvoline/Ashland stated "an independent lab", no mention of multiple labs from what I could see....
Originally Posted By: Rolf
Bill in Utah said:
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Originally Posted By: endeavor to persevere
You sound like a broken record.
I am stuck living in the real world, while others get to live in their wild imaginations.
Yes, the insistence on facts is so boring, so pedantic, so typically .... factual.
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You sound like a broken record.
I am stuck living in the real world, while others get to live in their wild imaginations.
Yes, the insistence on facts is so boring, so pedantic, so typically .... factual.
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Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Valvoline/Ashland stated "an independent lab", no mention of multiple labs from what I could see....
Nor the name and address of the "independent lab".
Or much else.
I can't even tell which of the three American Mobil 1 5W-30 formulas they're claiming is deficient.
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Valvoline/Ashland stated "an independent lab", no mention of multiple labs from what I could see....
Nor the name and address of the "independent lab".
Or much else.
I can't even tell which of the three American Mobil 1 5W-30 formulas they're claiming is deficient.
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I am convinced that Valvoline speaks the truth.
Originally Posted By: Rolf
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Valvoline/Ashland stated "an independent lab", no mention of multiple labs from what I could see....
Nor the name and address of the "independent lab".
Or much else.
I can't even tell which of the three American Mobil 1 5W-30 formulas they're claiming is deficient.
.
You remind me of someone who on here a few years back. Mickey or something like that. Strange similarities.
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Valvoline/Ashland stated "an independent lab", no mention of multiple labs from what I could see....
Nor the name and address of the "independent lab".
Or much else.
I can't even tell which of the three American Mobil 1 5W-30 formulas they're claiming is deficient.
.
You remind me of someone who on here a few years back. Mickey or something like that. Strange similarities.
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