I'm honestly not trying to start something here, but I am just curious. Does anyone have a clue as to whether or not EP oils are PAO based, a little PAO, or next to none? I'd tend to think they are more PAO based on pour points, which are pretty darn good!
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I don't know for sure. However, the Mobil1 website says that the EP has 50% more "SuperSyn" than the regular Mobil 1 versions. Whatever that means. I use the regular Mobil 1. I cannot justify the price difference for EP based on my driving style, climate and OCI.
http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Oils/Mobil_1_Extended_Performance.aspx
http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Oils/Mobil_1_Extended_Performance.aspx
Also from the Mobil 1 website:
What is the difference between Mobil 1® Extended Performance and Mobil 1?
Mobil 1 Extended Performance formulas are designed specifically for today's longer service intervals and are guaranteed to protect for up to 15,000 miles or one year.
Mobil 1 Extended Performance has a unique formulation with a boosted level of protection and performance. Mobil 1 Extended Performance, with the Advanced SuperSyn System, contains 50 percent more SuperSyn than Mobil 1. (Updated March 2006)
What is the difference between Mobil 1® Extended Performance and Mobil 1?
Mobil 1 Extended Performance formulas are designed specifically for today's longer service intervals and are guaranteed to protect for up to 15,000 miles or one year.
Mobil 1 Extended Performance has a unique formulation with a boosted level of protection and performance. Mobil 1 Extended Performance, with the Advanced SuperSyn System, contains 50 percent more SuperSyn than Mobil 1. (Updated March 2006)
There's a thread in the archives where M1 was analyzed by a member here that worked with company in the lube industry, and stated that M1 15w-50 EP had a large percentage of Group III. That thread got locked eventually. If you search you probably can find it.
The other grades of M1 EP well take your best guess.
The other grades of M1 EP well take your best guess.
Hi,
BTLew81 - This may interest you:
"Lubrication Engineering" released this document on August 1 1999
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Mobil SuperSyn PAOs were developed to extend the range of conventional high viscosity PAOs and maintain excellent low temperature fluidity. Mobil SuperSyn PAOs are a new class of high viscosity, high Viscosity Index (VI) polyalphaolefins manufactured by Mobil Chemical using patented, proprietary technology. Mobil SuperSyn PAOs are offered in four viscosities 150, 300, 1000 and 3000 cSt at 100 deg C, and are typically used at low treat rates to balance viscometrics and/or improve various qualities of the finished product. Mobil SuperSyn PAOs are completely miscible with conventional PAOs, esters and mineral oils and have viscosity indices 35-200 units higher than conventional PAO fluids.
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SuperSyn replaced the Tri-Synthetic formulation that Mobil were using in their M1 products at that time
EM is the World's largest supplier of PAOs and the only supplier of Low and High range PAOs. These are supplied toi many Oil Companies around the World
PAOs are widely used to "adjust" the characteristics of mineral lubricants of any Group to what the Blender is aiming to achieve. This is the case with most Oil Companies
Be confident about the quality of the product you are using
BTLew81 - This may interest you:
"Lubrication Engineering" released this document on August 1 1999
Starts
Mobil SuperSyn PAOs were developed to extend the range of conventional high viscosity PAOs and maintain excellent low temperature fluidity. Mobil SuperSyn PAOs are a new class of high viscosity, high Viscosity Index (VI) polyalphaolefins manufactured by Mobil Chemical using patented, proprietary technology. Mobil SuperSyn PAOs are offered in four viscosities 150, 300, 1000 and 3000 cSt at 100 deg C, and are typically used at low treat rates to balance viscometrics and/or improve various qualities of the finished product. Mobil SuperSyn PAOs are completely miscible with conventional PAOs, esters and mineral oils and have viscosity indices 35-200 units higher than conventional PAO fluids.
Ends
SuperSyn replaced the Tri-Synthetic formulation that Mobil were using in their M1 products at that time
EM is the World's largest supplier of PAOs and the only supplier of Low and High range PAOs. These are supplied toi many Oil Companies around the World
PAOs are widely used to "adjust" the characteristics of mineral lubricants of any Group to what the Blender is aiming to achieve. This is the case with most Oil Companies
Be confident about the quality of the product you are using
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Originally Posted By: Doug Hillary
Hi,
BTLew81 - This may interest you:
"Lubrication Engineering" released this document on August 1 1999
Starts
Mobil SuperSyn PAOs were developed to extend the range of conventional high viscosity PAOs and maintain excellent low temperature fluidity. Mobil SuperSyn PAOs are a new class of high viscosity, high Viscosity Index (VI) polyalphaolefins manufactured by Mobil Chemical using patented, proprietary technology. Mobil SuperSyn PAOs are offered in four viscosities 150, 300, 1000 and 3000 cSt at 100 deg C, and are typically used at low treat rates to balance viscometrics and/or improve various qualities of the finished product. Mobil SuperSyn PAOs are completely miscible with conventional PAOs, esters and mineral oils and have viscosity indices 35-200 units higher than conventional PAO fluids.
Ends
SuperSyn replaced the Tri-Synthetic formulation that Mobil were using in their M1 products at that time
EM is the World's largest supplier of PAOs and the only supplier of Low and High range PAOs. These are supplied toi many Oil Companies around the World
PAOs are widely used to "adjust" the characteristics of mineral lubricants of any Group to what the Blender is aiming to achieve. This is the case with most Oil Companies
Be confident about the quality of the product you are using
Doug
You stated that EM is the world's largest supplier of PAO'S to other oil companies. Do know if Amsoil, Valvoline , PP or other US engine oil suppliers use their product.If you know ,can you be specific?
Hi,
BTLew81 - This may interest you:
"Lubrication Engineering" released this document on August 1 1999
Starts
Mobil SuperSyn PAOs were developed to extend the range of conventional high viscosity PAOs and maintain excellent low temperature fluidity. Mobil SuperSyn PAOs are a new class of high viscosity, high Viscosity Index (VI) polyalphaolefins manufactured by Mobil Chemical using patented, proprietary technology. Mobil SuperSyn PAOs are offered in four viscosities 150, 300, 1000 and 3000 cSt at 100 deg C, and are typically used at low treat rates to balance viscometrics and/or improve various qualities of the finished product. Mobil SuperSyn PAOs are completely miscible with conventional PAOs, esters and mineral oils and have viscosity indices 35-200 units higher than conventional PAO fluids.
Ends
SuperSyn replaced the Tri-Synthetic formulation that Mobil were using in their M1 products at that time
EM is the World's largest supplier of PAOs and the only supplier of Low and High range PAOs. These are supplied toi many Oil Companies around the World
PAOs are widely used to "adjust" the characteristics of mineral lubricants of any Group to what the Blender is aiming to achieve. This is the case with most Oil Companies
Be confident about the quality of the product you are using
Doug
You stated that EM is the world's largest supplier of PAO'S to other oil companies. Do know if Amsoil, Valvoline , PP or other US engine oil suppliers use their product.If you know ,can you be specific?
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AMSOIL has been forthcoming about using ExxonMobil as one of their base stock providers. Ashland (Valvoline) uses them as well.
Correct. Amsoil/Ashland also use Lubrizol as one of their suppliers, among others.
People seem to obsess over base oils used, but the additive package is more important in many ways. One thing Amsoil stresses often is the quality of additives they use. They are not all the same.
People seem to obsess over base oils used, but the additive package is more important in many ways. One thing Amsoil stresses often is the quality of additives they use. They are not all the same.
Just because ExxonMobil manufactures PAO does not mean they use it as much in their priducts. In fact with the specialty synthetic oil blenders it is worth more as acommodity for sale to others than it is to use in ones own products. For your own products you want to use the assumption that you make PAO carryh you while you sell all the PAO you can to others and then compete against them
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tig1 - Well I did not need to answer. OVERK1LL and buster have done a great job
EM's range of synthetic products go back many decades (into Germany for the aftermath of WW2) and into the Aviation Industries
Their range of esters and PAOs is second to none - and their development of synthetic lubricants is too
BITOG at times degenerates into a "lets hit EM with a 4x2" frolic
One could ask many questions about the advertising and ethics of others in the Oil Industry and on the edge of it as Boutique blenders. I won't be drawn into it!
At least EM have been a nett contributor to the ecomonies of many Countries including the US. Now about GM and Chrysler and a few Finance houses we've come to hear about..............!!!
tig1 - Well I did not need to answer. OVERK1LL and buster have done a great job
EM's range of synthetic products go back many decades (into Germany for the aftermath of WW2) and into the Aviation Industries
Their range of esters and PAOs is second to none - and their development of synthetic lubricants is too
BITOG at times degenerates into a "lets hit EM with a 4x2" frolic
One could ask many questions about the advertising and ethics of others in the Oil Industry and on the edge of it as Boutique blenders. I won't be drawn into it!
At least EM have been a nett contributor to the ecomonies of many Countries including the US. Now about GM and Chrysler and a few Finance houses we've come to hear about..............!!!
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Bryanccfshr - That is quite a statement. So EM sell inferior products just because they supply advanced ingredients to others - really?
I suspect more like they keep the best for themselves to retail at top market price and based on their in-field experience - one could name a few too!
Bryanccfshr - That is quite a statement. So EM sell inferior products just because they supply advanced ingredients to others - really?
I suspect more like they keep the best for themselves to retail at top market price and based on their in-field experience - one could name a few too!
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Originally Posted By: Doug Hillary
At least EM have been a nett contributor to the ecomonies of many Countries including the US. Now about GM and Chrysler and a few Finance houses we've come to hear about..............!!!
Indeed. ExxonMobil's charity and education contributions per anum are more than Ashland's revenue.
At least EM have been a nett contributor to the ecomonies of many Countries including the US. Now about GM and Chrysler and a few Finance houses we've come to hear about..............!!!
Indeed. ExxonMobil's charity and education contributions per anum are more than Ashland's revenue.
Business Decisions are not based on selling the best product, they are based on making the most money from resources available. Bonuses and variable pay are based on this principle. It is up top marketing to convince the potential customers that you are selling the best product.
The size of a company nor its charitable contributions due no make them ethical.
The size of a company nor its charitable contributions due no make them ethical.
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Originally Posted By: Bryanccfshr
Business Decisions are not based on selling the best product, they are based on making the most money from resources available. Bonuses and variable pay are based on this principle. It is up top marketing to convince the potential customers that you are selling the best product.
The size of a company nor its charitable contributions due no make them ethical.
No, but they do have the most resources. Nobody can contest that.
Business Decisions are not based on selling the best product, they are based on making the most money from resources available. Bonuses and variable pay are based on this principle. It is up top marketing to convince the potential customers that you are selling the best product.
The size of a company nor its charitable contributions due no make them ethical.
No, but they do have the most resources. Nobody can contest that.
Sure they haved alot of resources. It becomes an impersonal beast at a certain point.
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Originally Posted By: Bryanccfshr
Sure they haved alot of resources. It becomes an impersonal beast at a certain point.
Not a lot, the most
They are the most profitable company in history.
Sure they haved alot of resources. It becomes an impersonal beast at a certain point.
Not a lot, the most
They are the most profitable company in history.
And that is to inspire confidence inthe consumer or the investor??
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