Been hearing rumors of this. Any truth to it? I do not use it but information like that would be helpful to me as a Cadillac service tech, and an avid biker. Thanks...
Mobil 1 not a true synthetic?
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Though I don't follow this much - Mobil 1 has switched to a group III oil (still legally called Synthetic in USA). Mobil 1 now joins Castrol in the group III group.
Seriously though - unless you are going 15,000 miles and/or have a turbo/big engine - you shouldn't notice a difference between group III and IV+.
Either way, why use Mobil? Its around $7/qt where I live and I can get Amsoil for $5/qt.
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Seriously though - unless you are going 15,000 miles and/or have a turbo/big engine - you shouldn't notice a difference between group III and IV+.
Either way, why use Mobil? Its around $7/qt where I live and I can get Amsoil for $5/qt.
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Though I don't follow this much - Mobil 1 has switched to a group III oil (still legally called Synthetic in USA). Mobil 1 now joins Castrol in the group III group.
Seriously though - unless you are going 15,000 miles and/or have a turbo/big engine - you shouldn't notice a difference between group III and IV+.
Either way, why use Mobil? Its around $7/qt where I live and I can get Amsoil for $5/qt.
Yeah, I am an amsoil commercial customer. Liek I said, I do not use it, but that's what we keep on hand at the dealership. Several of my riding buddies use the Mobil v-twin as well. I'll stick with the Amsoil.
Consensus is that the most of the PCMO (with the possible exception of 0W-40) contains primarily to partial Group III according to grade.
Supposedly the MCO (Like V-Twin) and HDEO (Delvac 1) are still Group IV/V.
This based on some testing, supposition, refusal to clarify by ExxonMobil USA, and statements on ExxonMobil Japanese Website.
Supposedly the MCO (Like V-Twin) and HDEO (Delvac 1) are still Group IV/V.
This based on some testing, supposition, refusal to clarify by ExxonMobil USA, and statements on ExxonMobil Japanese Website.
Who cares what's in the bottle? How it performs is more important, is it not? It's no better than average for a GIII oil. In that case there must be an oil that does as well for less money. Is there any proof that Mobil 1 is better than Syntec or PP or Amsoil?
Lonnie, I took it that he was primarily concerned about shearing in the MCO. I have noticed that GIII does tend to shear more when used in a transmission. However Harleys tend to be pretty kind to engine oil due to the seperate trans.
Mobil 1 and Castrol Syntec have betrayed the public and ruined the credibility of synthetic oil.
Group III and GTL may be , or could be, as good or even better than PAO ...but why do oil companies feel it is ok to mislead us and price gouge as well?
Mobil 1 used to be under $4/qt when it was a true synthetic. Group III faux synthetics used to cost from $1 something / qt to $4/ qt.
Now Mobil 1 Group III Faux costs $6 /qt to $7 /qt... is it any wonder that I feel ripped off , and I am now strongly anti-Mobil 1?
Redline, Castrol GC, Amsoil, Pennzoil Platinum [on sale], Delvac 1, Delo 400, Rotella T and Rotella 5W-40 faux syn, Trop Arctic/Havoline/Motorcraft are on the 'A' list and Mobil 1/ Castrol Syntec are on the 'S' list.
I especially like Redline, it is now about the same price as M1 and Redline is still the best oil I've tried.
Group III and GTL may be , or could be, as good or even better than PAO ...but why do oil companies feel it is ok to mislead us and price gouge as well?
Mobil 1 used to be under $4/qt when it was a true synthetic. Group III faux synthetics used to cost from $1 something / qt to $4/ qt.
Now Mobil 1 Group III Faux costs $6 /qt to $7 /qt... is it any wonder that I feel ripped off , and I am now strongly anti-Mobil 1?
Redline, Castrol GC, Amsoil, Pennzoil Platinum [on sale], Delvac 1, Delo 400, Rotella T and Rotella 5W-40 faux syn, Trop Arctic/Havoline/Motorcraft are on the 'A' list and Mobil 1/ Castrol Syntec are on the 'S' list.
I especially like Redline, it is now about the same price as M1 and Redline is still the best oil I've tried.
VERY WELL SAID!!!!
Mobil 1 PCMO is $4.09 every day at Target. Just because other outlets charge more doesnt mean ExxonMobil made all the money.
Kind of like gasoline. ExxonMobil makes $0.20-0.30 a gal and everone is outraged. The Federal, State, and Local goverments average $0.92 gal while claiming there is not even enough revenue to even fix the potholes and everyone ignores it.
Kind of like gasoline. ExxonMobil makes $0.20-0.30 a gal and everone is outraged. The Federal, State, and Local goverments average $0.92 gal while claiming there is not even enough revenue to even fix the potholes and everyone ignores it.
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I agree completely with "thatwouldbegreat".
BUT. I can go into my local walmart, and buy a 5 quart jug of M1 5w30 for 20 bucks. At $4 per quart, I don't THINK I can buy a better oil.
At that price point, M1 is still the best choice for ME. If I had to pay $6+ per quart, I would find something else.
BUT. I can go into my local walmart, and buy a 5 quart jug of M1 5w30 for 20 bucks. At $4 per quart, I don't THINK I can buy a better oil.
At that price point, M1 is still the best choice for ME. If I had to pay $6+ per quart, I would find something else.
I agree. At my local WalMart M1 is $19.97 a 5 gallon jug.
Big rip off.
Of course PP is still cheaper at WalMart, but at most outlets the price is the same for PP or just a few cents cheaper. Pick your poison..price is not a consideration
Also, where do you stop complaining about price?
House brands are cheaper than PP...Is Pennzoil ripping you off?
Don't factor in all the promotions and BOGOF on PP right now. While it is great pricing, it won't last. Remember last year Pep Boys ran buy 3 get 3 free on Mobil through their calendars...Of course few today remember or give credit for that M1 pricing.
Funny how when Pennzoil switched formulations, no one cared..but Mobil? LOL By their reactions, one would think their wife had cheated on some posters.
Some give Pennzoil credit for telling them they cheapened their product (only after being asked)....but I believe even at WalMart the price stayed the same...yet Pennzoil is the good guy now?
Btw Mobil 1 is $4.00 and a few cents at Target..again a rip off.
Of course PP is still cheaper at WalMart, but at most outlets the price is the same for PP or just a few cents cheaper. Pick your poison..price is not a consideration
Also, where do you stop complaining about price?
Funny how when Pennzoil switched formulations, no one cared..but Mobil? LOL By their reactions, one would think their wife had cheated on some posters.
Btw Mobil 1 is $4.00 and a few cents at Target..again a rip off.
Really? All the Walmarts around here (4) are charging $5.92/qt, $22.97/5qt-jug for M1 and $6.46/qt, $28.68/5qt-jug for M1 EP in the common grades as of a couple of weeks ago. And the trend has been continued price increases.
But Mobil staked their reputation on being mostly Group IV and V base stocks. Wasn't it the Mobil Oil Corporation that asked the NAD to arbitrate when Castrol made the switch back in 1997? And what about statements like this that can still be found on Exxon-Mobil websites :
What percentage of synthetic engine oils is PAO and Group V base stocks (ester and other synthetics)?
Fully synthetic engine oils generally contain 70% to 80% PAO, 5% to 10 % Group V base stocks and the remaining portion are additives. However, some engine oil marketers have elected to use higher ratios.
Further, we've seen many of their specifications degrade during their transition to mostly Group III basestocks while the price increased.
Is it still good oil? Surely. But there's no evidence to date that demonstrates it's any better than any of the other Group III based synthetics on the market. All the others are passing the same API, ACEA and manufacturing specs and turning in as good or better UOAs. I leave it to the motivated to search for some of Terry's comment.
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I am not denying that M1 could possibly have changed their formulation to some Grplll (although we have no definitive facts on this other than a hit and run poster that some have given great credibility) or that it may not be the best oil. However to me, 10 years is a lot of time to hold a company to how they were formulating their product or their public stance. Times change, technology changes, market forces change..even what some will call greed comes into the equation.
I just find it comical the depth that people are going over this. As you stated M1 is still a good oil. Worth the price? That is for the individual to decide. I just find it comical that some are knighting PP when they have switched back to Grplll within no reduction in price. Take advantage of Pennzoils push for increased market share (after years of their synthetics not selling.) Pennzoil is doing this for a reason..and it is NOT because they are nice guys. They have put a lot in PP and my guess to date have not been satisfied with their market share..hence the great deals. I doubt they will last.
I am not denying that M1 could possibly have changed their formulation to some Grplll (although we have no definitive facts on this other than a hit and run poster that some have given great credibility) or that it may not be the best oil. However to me, 10 years is a lot of time to hold a company to how they were formulating their product or their public stance. Times change, technology changes, market forces change..even what some will call greed comes into the equation.
I just find it comical the depth that people are going over this. As you stated M1 is still a good oil. Worth the price? That is for the individual to decide. I just find it comical that some are knighting PP when they have switched back to Grplll within no reduction in price. Take advantage of Pennzoils push for increased market share (after years of their synthetics not selling.) Pennzoil is doing this for a reason..and it is NOT because they are nice guys. They have put a lot in PP and my guess to date have not been satisfied with their market share..hence the great deals. I doubt they will last.
Yeah, but who cares? At 2-4-1 pricing, you can build up a lifetime stash for peanuts.
And there's alaways another deal just down the road..
And there's alaways another deal just down the road..
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I agree. I have over 500 qt's of oil in my stash...even after selling off 1/2 my GC green inventory (have 50 qt's left).
Pep Boys buy 3 M1 get 3 free, Autozones $1 and $2 Maxlife synthetic, Valvoline synthetic, and Havoline synthetic blow outs. Dollar Trees TropArtic synthetic blends at $1 a qt. Chevron for under .60 at Kragen. Home Depots Pennzoil dino and Platinum closeouts. All the free Maxlife and Mobil 5000 promotions last year... A couple generous BITOG posters who have basically given me free oil from Torco to QS syn blends...the list goes on and on.
My point is while you take advantage of deals, you cannot judge the oils pricing/value just by sales/closeouts/giveaways.
I agree. I have over 500 qt's of oil in my stash...even after selling off 1/2 my GC green inventory (have 50 qt's left).
Pep Boys buy 3 M1 get 3 free, Autozones $1 and $2 Maxlife synthetic, Valvoline synthetic, and Havoline synthetic blow outs. Dollar Trees TropArtic synthetic blends at $1 a qt. Chevron for under .60 at Kragen. Home Depots Pennzoil dino and Platinum closeouts. All the free Maxlife and Mobil 5000 promotions last year... A couple generous BITOG posters who have basically given me free oil from Torco to QS syn blends...the list goes on and on.
My point is while you take advantage of deals, you cannot judge the oils pricing/value just by sales/closeouts/giveaways.
I think you're both correct. tenderloin I agree with everything you said above, however, 427 is correct in that XOM is acting hypocritical. They clearly state that true synthetics are Group IV and V only, but they are selling us Mobil 1 as a Group III. It's very deceptive and wrong what they are doing. I understand why they are doing it and don't have a problem with the product quality, but I do have a problem with XOM cheating the public.
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