Mobil 1 Formulation Updates?

[The Critic]

1) Mobil 1 AFE 0W-20, dated 9/9/21:
https://sds.exxonmobil.com/Download.aspx?ID=161279&docFormat=PDF

No PAO, No GTL.

2) Mobil 1 HM 0W-20, dated 9/10/21:
https://sds.exxonmobil.com/Download.aspx?ID=948094&docFormat=PDF

40-50% GTL?

3) Mobil 1 5W-20, dated 9/10/21:
https://sds.exxonmobil.com/Download.aspx?ID=566335&docFormat=PDF

30-40% GTL?

The M1 5W30 and some of the T&SUV SDS's were also updated.

I wonder if these changes are in anticipation of GM Dexos 1 Gen 3.

 

[Luftmasse]

Wow changed again?

 

[bbhero]

Those sheets are leaving out a lot. Those percentages add up to well less than 100 percent.

Nothing wrong with that really. The are obviously safety data sheets and not intended for full disclosure of what is in their oils.

I'd bet very decent money that those oils have a lot more going on there than what's disclosed on those SDSs.

ExxonMobil makes great products. And they supply many smaller blenders with base oils too.

 

[Danh]

MSDS for AFE can’t possibly add up to 100%. Bad info maybe? Maybe the missing bit is PAO or GTL.

 

[buster]

I think AFE likely still doesn't contain GTL/PAO, but in smaller amounts. However it wouldn't surprise me either if it is majority III+ of some sort. This is only a 10k mile rated oil and when you compete for space at Walmart you have to be clever in your base oil blend to meet the price point. I don't think there is anyone better at doing that while keep the quality at the highest level than XOM.

I'm curious how much EP 0w20 sells compared to AFE 0w20. My assumption was always 0w20 EP was the best seller.

 

[The Critic]

I'm curious how much EP 0w20 sells compared to AFE 0w20. My assumption was always 0w20 EP was the best seller.

Pretty sure AFE is their top selling 0W20 oil within the Mobil 1 line. I rarely see distributors stock EP. Sam's and Costco only stock the AFE.

I find it quite fascinating for the vanilla grades of 5W30 and 0W20 to contain no GTL or PAO, but the vanilla 5W20 grade contains 30-40% GTL.

 

[2EHA]

Pretty sure AFE is their top selling 0W20 oil within the Mobil 1 line. I rarely see distributors stock EP. Sam's and Costco only stock the AFE.

I find it quite fascinating for the vanilla grades of 5W30 and 0W20 to contain no GTL or PAO, but the vanilla 5W20 grade contains 30-40% GTL.

afe 0w20 has or had gtl and pao. pour point has not changed

they are just removing everything from the sds

 

[Shel_B]

I'm curious how much EP 0w20 sells compared to AFE 0w20. My assumption was always 0w20 EP was the best seller.

Amazon lists it as a Best Seller ... also 5w30.

 

[The Critic]

afe 0w20 has or had gtl and pao.

they are just removing everything from the sds

That doesn't make sense. They updated other SDS sheets and those clearly list GTL and PAO if applicable. It would not make sense for Mobil to withhold PAO/GTL info for only one grade.

 

[benjy]

most group III fake synthetics are prolly quite similar + "good enough" for most users + depending on your climate + driving style + length of trips + if your cheap or not by extending drain intervals + skipping filters so use whatever brand you like that meets similar specs! thin or thick is another choice, a 1/2 mpg or longer engine life + of course a viscosity suited to your climate!!

 

[travis8352]

They also list moly in the updated sds. I wonder id they upped it?

 

[addyguy]

Moly went up for SP in most oils, I suspect it will for D1G3; as it seems good at TC protection.

 

[OVERKILL]

The old SDS showed the same percentage of 64742-54-7:

So they may no longer be calling out PAO on the SDS sheets. There goes that fun

 

[travis8352]

The old SDS showed the same percentage of 64742-54-7:
View attachment 71074

So they may no longer be calling out PAO on the SDS sheets. There goes that fun

Is that group 2 in the new one as well. Also gtl is missing

 

[OVERKILL]

Is that group 2 in the new one as well. Also gtl is missing

The "solvent dewaxed" product at the bottom? Yeah, that should be Group II/Group II+ I suspect. May be a carrier fluid.

They may not be calling out GTL either now for all I know. We've always been lucky with the MSDS Mobil sheets being as generous with information as they have been, so if they are now starting to hold that back, it just makes them more similar to their peers.

 

[travis8352]

The "solvent dewaxed" product at the bottom? Yeah, that should be Group II/Group II+ I suspect. May be a carrier fluid.

Thats what i was thinking. Wonder why their listing moly in the newest sds. Ive only seen that before in the m1 racing flavors. Maybe they have upped moly content?

 

[OVERKILL]

Thats what i was thinking. Wonder why their listing moly in the newest sds. Ive only seen that before in the m1 racing flavors. Maybe they have upped moly content?

Yeah, definitely some formatting changes in terms of what is now showing on the SDS sheets.

 

[Dennywires]

It’s great oil I use it. Good bathroom reading material.

 

[The Critic]

Good bathroom reading material.

Unfortunately, that could be said about a lot of content on this site.

 

[Dennywires]

Unfortunately, that could be said about a lot of content on this site.

Guess that’s where many of us would be found.