It's written on the specifications list? All I see, on the website, is the logo on the one quart bottle image. That's not sufficient enough as you'd know. It should state "Meets ILSAC GF-7A" or something to that effect. But it's nowhere to be found in writing on the bottle or on the website. Share a screenshot of where you see it.
It's not in their grid but if they're slowly converting all of their line to include ILSAC I can see them wanting to only update the grid once. Besides it's not like ILSAC shoppers are the target customer anyways.
The higher minimum HTHS of C3 clashes with the efficiency/resource conserving requirements of ILSAC. If they did somehow manage to get this oil certified (doubtful), it would be the first ever C3 oil to do so based on there being no other examples out there.
It also passes the fuel effeciency test of C2 (different engine test bed from the one under ILSAC) so we should put the pitch forks away and wait to see what Mobil 1 says.
But they've already updated their grid for API SQ. If they were already there then why not finish the job? I get what you're saying but if they've already updated the website why not include ILSAC. I had to bring this to their attention and no one I speak to seems to know anything. You know how that goes.
It's API SQ rated and is not ILSAC rated because is not resource conserving/fuel efficient oil.
The API "Starburst" on the front of this 5w-30 ESP is claiming ILSAC-GF7 Certified. Please take this with sincerity...You're simply incorrect in your understanding of what the symbol means.
Exactly!
With that front logo telling us ILSAC I think it needs to be written on the bottle & on the website as I'm sure you'd agree.
Great idea! I can try to see if they have a number.
To be clear I have nothing against Mobil. I really want to use an oil like this & in order to use my mechanical Contract I must "follow the OEM manual". The manual says if X oil specification is unavailable to use an ILSAC certified oil in either 0w-30 or 5w-30. It is not a Euro application but if it has that nice ILSAC starburst on the front it will pass the requirements & as you could imagine would be a good oil to use. I think it needs to meet the ILSAC fuel requirements but I don't believe there's any maximum HT/HS, like some suggest, only a minimum of 2.6. Even if it's a 3.5 if it passes, it passes.
So can ESP 0W-30 qualify for ILSAC GF-7A?
I know that bud - the emoji means sarcasm here …
It's the Fuel Economy Improvement requirements that effectively limit HTHS and why all the RC 5W-30's have lower HTHS when compared to the A3/B4 ones.
Mobil stated that grade of ESP was "Recommended" for Mercedes Benz dealers on their product guide. Interestingly it gets the same P and Zn as the 5w. But, as you already know, it seems to have different base oil ingredients (based on VOA oxidation values). IDK what's up Mobil's sleeve or if that grade would pass ILSAC but It doesn't seem like it will be since they already have the AFE 0w-30 GF-7A. I wonder if they'll get back to me.
Is there an oil that can effectively have 3.5 minimum & still meet ILSAC GF-7A. You're talking about one of the things that is on everyone's mind here. Is this an incorrect batch of logos or can it be done. We're about to find out hopefully.
ESP 5W30 has lower ZDDP. It is different additive package in the latest ESP 5W30 version.Mobil stated that grade of ESP was "Recommended" for Mercedes Benz dealers on their product guide. Interestingly it gets the same P and Zn as the 5w. But, as you already know, it seems to have different base oil ingredients (based on VOA oxidation values). IDK what's up Mobil's sleeve or if that grade would pass ILSAC but It doesn't seem like it will be since they already have the AFE 0w-30 GF-7A. I wonder if they'll get back to me.
XOM is very punctual with approvals.
