I just noticed that they're claiming the 0w-40 meets C2. I'm impressed that they can meet the fuel economy of C2 with their 40 grade.
Mobil 1 ESP - 12,000 miles / 1 year
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will you give it a go for 12000miles?
Note that it's only a recommendation for applications that call for C2, so it may not meet certain requirements. I'm guessing it does not. This oil may exceed 3.5 HT/HS.
Probably not due to space and safety constraints AND I'm genuinely afraid of upsetting the Mrs. if I strip the already repaired threads on the oil pan. ROFL.
IIRC the FE test is the only performance difference between C2 and C3. C2 has no limit to with regards to HTHS.
ACEA C2 are not fuel economy oils. They are just mid-SAPS with min. HTHS of 2.9cP. C3 is min. HTHS 3.5 cP.
The fuel economy oils are ACEA C5/C6 (HTHS b/w 2.6 - 2.9 cP) those are mid-SAPS covered only by ESP 0W-20.
C2 overlaps some how with C3 and C5 overlaps with C6.
Right I just meant that you wouldn’t formulate a C2 oil with a minimum 3.5 HT/HS like C3. I’d guess that’s why it’s a recommendation as ExxonMobil states. There isn’t much else to differentiate those Sequences.
Very cool. I do wish that someone would replicate the soccer mom driving style with a test. Lots of idling (sitting in school pickup line). Minimal highway use. Little time above 40-50 mph. Lots of stop and go driving. Lots of cold and warm starts (errands). Would be interesting to see who performs best with this brutal duty cycle.
I was thinking about that same thing the other day because is valid for all oils. And oils are not tested at those conditions. At the same time all those are known as severe driving conditions. I think most of the people don't take in account those conditions, keep long OCI, and then have trouble with various engine issues, most often increased oil consumption.
Most people change the oil when the service light turns on. If it’s 10k miles or 25k miles they don’t care. My Audi has 30000km oil changes but ofc I change it more often.
so true..even with shorter OCI that i do 6500 km, this kind of everyday commute is an oil killer, my engine is an example unfortunately..well the engine design plays a big part to all of this.
bmw is not made for such use.like so many german cars which are made for long commute,highway.
i had to bcs. of family and work issues.that is not what my commute was for the first 80.000 km.
i though of trading it with a car for such use , a smaller -simler or less demanding engine for in town ,short commute or keep this and see where is going..well it does not going well,but love the car..1 long ride every weekend and i forget all my troubles with it.
for german cars -engines it all depends on right commute.they need big roads and reach the red line over sometimes, every weekend if your daily commute is short trips. audis are more complicated engines than bmw.
As many here on BITOG would attest to : Just because you can go longer on an oil doesn’t mean you should. TBN may look good at a 10K mile OCI or a 15% oil monitor reading but what you don’t know is if you are getting carbon deposits slowly building up on pistons and oil rings ? 5,000 mile / 6 month OCI’s max (4,000 mile for Hyundai / Kia) keep the odds in your favor for long engine life.
Agreed
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That is done regularly by manufacturers.
When we were developing oil for VW504.00./507.00 approval, we did onle test of 10,000km without shutting down engine and many tests of doing 10,000km on OCI in city driving. Now, this was done in Europe, fairly small towns where engine temperature pretty much never reaches operating temperature unless going to visit family in another town or on business trip.
Generally, in the US, driving style is far more favorable to engine longevity.
Interesting thank you. I did not know this. I had recently changed my thinking that perhaps the Dexos add pack that is magnesium heavy would be better for this style of driving: stop n go, idling, cold/warm starts, not getting to temp, etc. The calcium heavy Euro additive packages being better for higher engine temps and more spirited driving. @Hohn wrote about this and hypothesized perhaps that is why some of the VW and Audi engines get stuck rings. (I can't take credit.) They are relegated to grocery getting and mall crawling whereas they are driven hard in Europe but in both places they run the same oil (calcium heavy), and they get stuck rings and burn oil here and not in Europe.
Is there a name for this test? Is there an equivalent for MB and Porsche? Or unique to VW?
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Note that oils like FS 0W-40 are now no longer calcium heavy after the SP update. I do think the overall level of detergents is higher than in API/ILSAC oils though.
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Not all of Europe is the same. German manufacturers are heavily focused on the auto bahn needs. Auto Bahn is free, unlike elsewhere in Europe. People use it, A LOT.
A lot of Euro approvals, the one that are most important, have those needs calculated in.
But then, there are city driving needs. Europeans generally do not drive as much as Americans, shorter distances, etc.
what about all these lines of cars stuck in traffic ? we see on news in big cities like LA,NY CHICAGO and so on? i see many of them drive their cars in town.
true.get your german car out for a highway trip every weekend! give its life back
