Mobil 1 AFE or Royal Purple 0W-20

[TruckinSI12]

Thanks to all for your help and knowledge in this matter. I normally do a 5k oci and will stick to the K&N oil filter. My choice will be the Royal Purple. I do believe all of you who recommended the M1 AFE, but I would just feel better with the protection of the RP. I also will be adding a magnetic drain plug from drainplugmagnets.com so hopefully this will also prolong engine life and performance. Thanks again!

Regards,
Truckin

 

[ltslimjim]

Originally Posted By: deven
Between those two oils I will choose Royal Purple all the time and all day long. Seen race engines at my shop that have run M1 and RP and every SINGLE time there is less wear with RP than M1 fed cars. Don't get me wrong, M1 AFE will probably give you a long healthy life as well but in my case even a little wear, albeit being normal bugs me. I am a perfectionist to the n'th degree.

 

[lexus114]

Originally Posted By: ltslimjim
Originally Posted By: deven
Between those two oils I will choose Royal Purple all the time and all day long. Seen race engines at my shop that have run M1 and RP and every SINGLE time there is less wear with RP than M1 fed cars. Don't get me wrong, M1 AFE will probably give you a long healthy life as well but in my case even a little wear, albeit being normal bugs me. I am a perfectionist to the n'th degree.

Yeah I know right?

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: lexus114
Originally Posted By: ltslimjim
Originally Posted By: deven
Between those two oils I will choose Royal Purple all the time and all day long. Seen race engines at my shop that have run M1 and RP and every SINGLE time there is less wear with RP than M1 fed cars. Don't get me wrong, M1 AFE will probably give you a long healthy life as well but in my case even a little wear, albeit being normal bugs me. I am a perfectionist to the n'th degree.

Yeah I know right?


I'm sure all the LeMans, Daytona and NASCAR race teams running Mobil 1 have witnessed this same phenomenon and that's why Mercedes and Porsche are now running Royal Purple in their factory race cars instead..... Wait, they aren't? Boy, they must be foolish.......

 

[tig1]

Overk1ll,
M1 oils are probabaly in more race engines around the world(at least in major racing series) than any other oil. As we have already noted, several LaMans teams in this country use M1 5-30 SM right off the shelf according to our own Johnny a couple of years ago. I am not saying RP isn't a quality oil, but I certainly believe M1 oils are equal to most oils.

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: tig1
Overk1ll,
M1 oils are probabaly in more race engines around the world(at least in major racing series) than any other oil. As we have already noted, several LaMans teams in this country use M1 5-30 SM right off the shelf according to our own Johnny a couple of years ago. I am not saying RP isn't a quality oil, but I certainly believe M1 oils are equal to most oils.


Yup, look at the Corvette series for another example. Doug noted many teams running M1 0w40 at the 'ring as well when he was there.

 

[Boss302fan]

M1 is the way to go unless you want to overpay for RP... Trust me when I say you will never see a difference between the two if you do 5K OCI's.

 

[45ACP]

Originally Posted By: tig1
Originally Posted By: TruckinSI12
The Mobil 1 AFE just makes me feel like it is about the MPG instead of the best protection I can get. Just not looking for something that gives "better fuel economy" rather "better engine protection". I will be doing a 5k mile change with either a K&N oil filter or the OEM Honda filter. I will check into the SM or SN recommendation although I don't think it recommends one. I think it just stated as long as it as an API certification with the 0W-20 it is acceptable. Will look into this to be certain. Thanks for your help so far!

Regards,
Truckin


M1 0-20 is an outstanding oil. It has one of the better base stock formulations, and from my experience it protects very well. As you can see I use it for 10K OCIs and my engines are clean as new through the oil fill hole, show no sign of engine wear, and the engines are very quite for a 4 cyl engine. If you want pics of through the oil fill hole let me know.


Another M1 recommendation by tig1. Stellar.

Now, while M1 is a great oil, there isnt as much wrong with RP as people say.............

That said, M1 is on the shelf and RP isnt, at least not in 0W-20.. you need to go to AAP and pay almost twice as much for RP 5W-20 (not 0W-20, that whole thing again) SM with Synerlec which are good oils, but it costs almost twice as much..

Go with the M1. Just chiding Mob- oops i mean tig1.

 

[Garak]

As an aside, I saw the strangest thing yesterday at Partsource. M1 AFE was twenty cents cheaper per quart than normal M1, and this wasn't a sale price, either. Go figure.

 

[garlicbreadman]

the k24 in that civic now requires 0w-20? seems kind of thin to me. the k24a2 in my 06 tsx requires 5w-30 and thats what i would put in your SI. A thin 5w-30 would probably be best for that engine. if honda says 0w-20 for your engine, its probably for fuel efficiency and not for best protection.

back to your question..royal purple hands down. Theres a thread about m1 vs rp on this guy's mustang and the difference was night and day.

 

[tig1]

Originally Posted By: garlicbreadman
the k24 in that civic now requires 0w-20? seems kind of thin to me. the k24a2 in my 06 tsx requires 5w-30 and thats what i would put in your SI. A thin 5w-30 would probably be best for that engine. if honda says 0w-20 for your engine, its probably for fuel efficiency and not for best protection.

back to your question..royal purple hands down. Theres a thread about m1 vs rp on this guy's mustang and the difference was night and day.


As for the Mustang, waite until Overk1ll sees this.

 

[deven]

Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: lexus114
Originally Posted By: ltslimjim
Originally Posted By: deven
Between those two oils I will choose Royal Purple all the time and all day long. Seen race engines at my shop that have run M1 and RP and every SINGLE time there is less wear with RP than M1 fed cars. Don't get me wrong, M1 AFE will probably give you a long healthy life as well but in my case even a little wear, albeit being normal bugs me. I am a perfectionist to the n'th degree.

Yeah I know right?


I'm sure all the LeMans, Daytona and NASCAR race teams running Mobil 1 have witnessed this same phenomenon and that's why Mercedes and Porsche are now running Royal Purple in their factory race cars instead..... Wait, they aren't? Boy, they must be foolish.......

Did you even read my comment. Let me make this clear, the wear witnessed on Mobil 1 was NORMAL as in it would be normal to use this oil and get 300,000+ miles. My comparison is solely this, Royal Purple oil race cars had little to no wear compared to Mobil 1 oils. Just because an oil shows a little wear DOESNT make it a bad oil it just makes it an oil. Even Royal Purple had wear just not enough to be able to be measurable by a micrometer. Now do I think Royal Purple is superior to Mobil 1? Absolutely by a long margin!

 

[Capa]

Yawn. The few, the proud, the Royal Purple fan boys.

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: deven

Did you even read my comment. Let me make this clear, the wear witnessed on Mobil 1 was NORMAL as in it would be normal to use this oil and get 300,000+ miles. My comparison is solely this, Royal Purple oil race cars had little to no wear compared to Mobil 1 oils. Just because an oil shows a little wear DOESNT make it a bad oil it just makes it an oil. Even Royal Purple had wear just not enough to be able to be measurable by a micrometer. Now do I think Royal Purple is superior to Mobil 1? Absolutely by a long margin!


Of course I read your comment, did you read mine?

Point blank: If Royal Purple was REALLY better (and I'm sorry, but I can't help but consider your take on this biased) then why aren't Porsche, Mercedes, General Motors, BMW, Audi, Ferrari, Honda....etc using it in their race cars?

You'll find most of them use Mobil 1, Castrol or a SOPUS product (Ferrari).

Does Royal Purple own a refinery? Do they have the ability to develop additive packages, base oils and the like in-house? No? So doesn't that mean they are BUYING these products from Mobil, SOPUS, Lubrizol...etc? So I'm having a hard time following how a BLENDER, mixing base oils and additives from these companies, would be able to blend an oil that is superior than what comes from those companies. Do you follow? Exxon-Mobil is the world's largest producer of PAO, AN's and other chemicals. infineum, the joint venture additive supplier between XOM and SOPUS is one of the largest additive suppliers. These corporations have the ability to develop the BEST lubricants because they can do the entire process in-house and if they need to change a component, they can MAKE it. They aren't buying it from somebody else. There is no set list of additives and base oils that they are forced to choose from to blend their products, because they can develop whatever they need.

So do I believe Royal Purple is "better" than Mobil 1? No. They don't have the capacity to be better than Mobil 1. They don't have the budget, the resources or the ability to develop their own lubricant components. And they don't have the flexibility to make changes to their product's core components on the fly just by engineering something new.... Because they BUY their base oils and additive "packages" from these companies that you somehow construe as inferior.

ExxonMobil's revenue was 486 BILLION dollars in 2011.
Royal Dutch Shell's revenue was 368 BILLION dollars in 2011.

ExxonMobil probably made more money in the last 30 minutes than Royal Purple will make all year. If you honestly believe that Royal Purple has the CAPABILITY to "blend" an oil that is better than something ExxonMobil or SOPUS can ENGINEER, then I've got some prime waterfront property in Nigeria you might be interested in........


EDIT: Just to clarify: I'm not saying Royal Purple is a poor product in any way shape or form. I'm currently using their ATF. I'm saying they don't have the capability to blend a better lube than Mobil does.

 

[robertcope]

Would you have made that same argument about a couple of guys at Stanford (Google) vs the Microsofts/IBMs/etc of the world? Bigger isn't always better.

Of course, in general I do think that M1 is going to be one of the more advanced oils around. But advanced isn't always better. And they are likely constrained in ways that RP, Red Line, AMSOIL, etc are not, ie API compatibility, manufacturer specs, etc. Whether that is good or bad, I don't know.

(I run M1 in most of my vehicles, Red Line in the transmissions/diffs, and Red Line in the track car; so I have no skin in the game, just tossing out thoughts.)

robert

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: robertcope
Would you have made that same argument about a couple of guys at Stanford (Google) vs the Microsofts/IBMs/etc of the world? Bigger isn't always better.

Of course, in general I do think that M1 is going to be one of the more advanced oils around. But advanced isn't always better. And they are likely constrained in ways that RP, Red Line, AMSOIL, etc are not, ie API compatibility, manufacturer specs, etc. Whether that is good or bad, I don't know.

(I run M1 in most of my vehicles, Red Line in the transmissions/diffs, and Red Line in the track car; so I have no skin in the game, just tossing out thoughts.)

robert


They do have their racing oils remember

But I don't think Google is a good analogy because a programmer doesn't need any more than a computer and his brain to produce a product. A lubricant requires a host of different components and putting those components together versus having the capability to MAKE those components any way one needs in order to shape the final product are two very different things.

 

[Capa]

Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: deven

Did you even read my comment. Let me make this clear, the wear witnessed on Mobil 1 was NORMAL as in it would be normal to use this oil and get 300,000+ miles. My comparison is solely this, Royal Purple oil race cars had little to no wear compared to Mobil 1 oils. Just because an oil shows a little wear DOESNT make it a bad oil it just makes it an oil. Even Royal Purple had wear just not enough to be able to be measurable by a micrometer. Now do I think Royal Purple is superior to Mobil 1? Absolutely by a long margin!


Of course I read your comment, did you read mine?

Point blank: If Royal Purple was REALLY better (and I'm sorry, but I can't help but consider your take on this biased) then why aren't Porsche, Mercedes, General Motors, BMW, Audi, Ferrari, Honda....etc using it in their race cars?

You'll find most of them use Mobil 1, Castrol or a SOPUS product (Ferrari).

Does Royal Purple own a refinery? Do they have the ability to develop additive packages, base oils and the like in-house? No? So doesn't that mean they are BUYING these products from Mobil, SOPUS, Lubrizol...etc? So I'm having a hard time following how a BLENDER, mixing base oils and additives from these companies, would be able to blend an oil that is superior than what comes from those companies. Do you follow? Exxon-Mobil is the world's largest producer of PAO, AN's and other chemicals. infineum, the joint venture additive supplier between XOM and SOPUS is one of the largest additive suppliers. These corporations have the ability to develop the BEST lubricants because they can do the entire process in-house and if they need to change a component, they can MAKE it. They aren't buying it from somebody else. There is no set list of additives and base oils that they are forced to choose from to blend their products, because they can develop whatever they need.

So do I believe Royal Purple is "better" than Mobil 1? No. They don't have the capacity to be better than Mobil 1. They don't have the budget, the resources or the ability to develop their own lubricant components. And they don't have the flexibility to make changes to their product's core components on the fly just by engineering something new.... Because they BUY their base oils and additive "packages" from these companies that you somehow construe as inferior.

ExxonMobil's revenue was 486 BILLION dollars in 2011.
Royal Dutch Shell's revenue was 368 BILLION dollars in 2011.

ExxonMobil probably made more money in the last 30 minutes than Royal Purple will make all year. If you honestly believe that Royal Purple has the CAPABILITY to "blend" an oil that is better than something ExxonMobil or SOPUS can ENGINEER, then I've got some prime waterfront property in Nigeria you might be interested in........


EDIT: Just to clarify: I'm not saying Royal Purple is a poor product in any way shape or form. I'm currently using their ATF. I'm saying they don't have the capability to blend a better lube than Mobil does.


+2 couldn't have said it better.

 

[ckmarsh]

ExxonMobil's revenue was 486 BILLION dollars in 2011
Think they pay to have ther name on the side of a race car

 

[Garak]

Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
They do have their racing oils remember

The only real advantage that Royal Purple has, with respect to oddball non-API oils, is that the RP varieties might be a little more readily available on the shelf than, say, Mobil's. At least Walmart and a few other retailers have the RP. However, now that RP has their API SN line out, perhaps that will be all we'll see in the "average" retail environment.

I certainly see nothing wrong with RP. For an out of warranty European vehicle, I can get RP 0w-40 cheaper than M1 0w-40. The other RP stuff, too, I get cheaper by the litre than M1.

However, to compare Mobil's line of oils to RP's is kind of silly. Mobil has an oil for almost every application, and actually certified to those applications. And availability is not a concern, at least for the "normal" products.

I'm using their differential fluid now. They certainly have a good reputation when it comes to industrial lubes, too. As a competitor in the automotive lube sector, RP is probably barely on XOM's map. They're likely more important to them as a customer.

 

[JAG]

The Synerlec sulfurized ester additive in some Royal Purple oils made it unique. Not enough time has passed for the performance to be reasonably characterized of the new versions of RP that lack Synerlec.

It doesn't matter that RP is a blender and XOM is a producer and blender. RP had more flexibility in what they could use because they didn't always have to keep the most current API specs which tend to impose more and more strict chemical limits with each new iteration. It was/is not a fair fight because of that.